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KnacK

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BEWARE!!! XP SP3!!!
« on: May 09, 2008, 10:05:46 AM »
"According to Information Week, within hours of its wide availability Windows XP SP3 had drawn hundreds of complaints from users who claim the update is wreaking havoc on their computers. One user said in a Microsoft newsgroup: 'I downloaded and installed [the SP3] package for IT Professionals and Developers on one of my computers. Now I can't get the computer to boot. I don't think Microsoft should have made this a critical update.' Other sites including IT Wire are also reporting problems, which include include random reboots or the inability to boot at all."
 Note that XP3 won't install on systems running beta IE8; and after a successful SP3 install users will no longer be able to downgrade from IE7 to IE6.


http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207600950

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Re: BEWARE!!! XP SP3!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 10:23:45 AM »
Ya know, I wish you had told me this before.  >.<

But I haven't had any issues yet, and beta IE8 needs LOTS of work so I'm not too worried about that.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 02:47:39 PM »
They're making IE8 already?  IE7 isn't even stable yet...

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 03:14:19 PM »
SP3 for Professional?  Because after reading that I really can't b intercoursed screwing the computer up again.  Just reinstalled XP.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 03:14:50 PM »
They figure eventually they'll accidentally make something stable.
Microsoft is really going down the tubes. If 7 is as bad as Vista, they're done in my eyes.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 03:17:19 PM »
I actually don't know why anyone would want Vista.  I'm not prepared to upgrade my whole friggen computer (motherboard, harddiscs, and CPU just to get more RAM into my computer.  I calculated it at one point, $1500 AUD + Vista.

Holy excrement its got Vista crap in it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 08:59:56 PM »
There are allot of die hard Vista fans out there.  I don't know why, but there are.  And from what I hear, the version with the less bugs is Ultimate (figures the most expensive).

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2008, 05:55:07 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2008, 06:02:53 AM »
There are allot of die hard Vista fans out there.  I don't know why, but there are.  And from what I hear, the version with the less bugs is Ultimate (figures the most expensive).
Rofl.  Ultimate costs 2 much for what its worth.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2008, 07:33:46 PM »
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There are allot of die hard Vista fans out there.  I don't know why, but there are.  And from what I hear, the version with the less bugs is Ultimate (figures the most expensive).

Maybe another reason is cause theres some games that on vistas instead of XP's, Like Halo 2  :o

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2008, 08:07:34 PM »
Halo 2 is one of the worst PC ports I've ever seen. Ever.

ShadowRun is one of the best FPSs I've played-- but has no userbase because of the darn Vista-only thing. I really hope that's undone or patched out in the future. :(

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2008, 11:07:47 PM »
So here is my tale of how I went about setting up Windows Server 2008 to look and fell like its desktop counterpart Windows Vista.

How Freudian...

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Re: BEWARE!!! XP SP3!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2008, 09:00:42 PM »
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx


This is a blog maintained by a M$ insider that has a lot more information regarding the SP3 issues.

If you are having problems, this is a must-read.

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Re: BEWARE!!! XP SP3!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2008, 02:42:55 PM »
Microsoft blames computer makers for some of the problems users have encountered after updating to Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3), according to a company support document.

The document also showed that the "endless reboot" problem some users have reported after installing XP SP3 was neither unanticipated or new; Microsoft updated the document the same day it released the service pack, and indicated that the same thing happened nearly four years ago when it rolled out Windows XP SP2.

Knowledge Base document 888372, last updated May 6, spelled out an error message that stops a PC's boot process -- and, depending on the machine's settings, may make it repeatedly reboot -- after installing SP3. The fault, said the Microsoft document, is in the Windows XP image originally installed on the PC by the computer manufacturer, or OEM.

"The problem may occur if the original Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) Sysprep image is created on an Intel-processor-based computer and if the Sysprep image is then deployed on a non-Intel-processor-based computer," said Microsoft.

"Under this configuration, after the computer is upgraded to Windows XP SP2 or SP3, the Intel processor driver (Intelppm.sys) may try to load because an orphaned registry key remains from the original Sysprep image," the document continued. "This issue may also occur if the original Windows XP SP2 or Windows XP SP3 Sysprep image is created on an Intel-processor-based computer and if it is then deployed onto a non-Intel-processor-based computer. Again, the Intel processor driver (Intelppm.sys) may try to load because an orphaned registry key remains from the original Sysprep image."

A day after Microsoft added XP SP3 to Windows Update, users began reporting that their machines processors from Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) were rebooting endlessly. Many of them said that the crippled systems were from Hewlett-Packard.

"I too have an HP Pavilion with an AMD Athelon [sic] processor," said a user identified as "jrednasnh" in a message posted Saturday to a Microsoft support forum. "I find it discouraging that HP may be partially at fault and did not attempt to notify us AMD customers, nor attempt to fix the issue."

Jesper Johansson, a former program manager for security policy at Microsoft and currently an MVP (Microsoft Most Valuable Professional), worked with others to identify some of the reboot issues as involving PCs running AMD CPUs. Johansson, who said one of his HP PCs repeatedly rebooted after installing XP SP3, traded accounts with several other users on the newsgroup and summarized the results on his blog.

"The problem is that HP, and possibly other OEMs, deploy the same image to Intel-based desktops that they do to AMD-based desktops," Johansson said. "Microsoft points out in a Knowledge Base article that installing both drivers on the same computer is an unsupported configuration, putting the blame on the OEM that deploys the image. The article in question was written when the same problem occurred after installing Service Pack 2 for Windows XP." Microsoft unveiled XP SP2 in August 2004.

According to Johansson, only HP desktop models are affected. "It also appears that this is unique to their desktop image, and any HP AMD-based laptops are unaffected by the problem," he said.

As Johansson mentioned, Microsoft has dubbed the practice "unsupported" in KB888372. "We do not support using Sysprep to install an operating system from an image if the image was created by using a computer that has a different processor," said Microsoft. "For example, you cannot create a Sysprep image on a computer that has an Intel processor and deploy the image to a computer that has an AMD processor."

KB888372 instructed users how to modify the Windows registry to disable the errant Intel driver, assuming users could regain control of their PCs long enough to boot into Safe mode.

The company has also listed several other scenarios that OEMs should avoid in another support document.

Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard did not immediately respond to questions Sunday.


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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2008, 02:59:54 PM »
They added it to Windows Update?  I think I should check what I do from now on.  I warned my friend yesterday, he went and installed it and he called me up and it was a reboot loop.  He will probably kick me 2day cos i just kept laughing on the phone :P

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2008, 03:58:02 PM »
See?

My post was useful!
I also denied it for now on my WSUS server

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2008, 08:38:20 PM »
I was kicked :P.  Also my computer hasn't got SP3 yet so it must not be in Windows Update for Australia yet (is there one?).  My cousin called me in the middle of class and asked wtf SP3 did to his computer :P.  I hate being teh only knowledge of computers in the family.

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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 09:09:39 AM »
So I have automatic updates set up on one computer to download, but not install unless I say so.  I went to shut it down (don't keep that one running all the time), and it brought up the little thing saying I have new updates and to "click here to shut down without installing these updates" or whatever.  How do I actually tell what updates it wants to install?  I want to make sure SP3 didn't sneak in there.

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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 09:42:42 AM »
Click on teh windows update icon in your system tray and it should come up with a list.

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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 11:55:42 AM »
Click on teh windows update icon in your system tray and it should come up with a list.
There wasn't one.  That's the weird thing.  Maybe it will magically reappear later.