I am going to agree with this.
When I saw the forum post about Navyseal, I wanted to add some input but the thread was locked up before I could do anything. I understand sometimes if it is getting out of hand. In my eyes the forums are more for the opinion of the community more than anything.
I'm actually stunned. It's posts and replies like this that make me just want to leave this community to rot in the ignorance and squalor it's so fond of.
Who in this thread so far is a productive member of the community? Sure, there are one or two old names, but who actually does anything useful but whine? no-one. Until you children get a grasp on what it takes to organise and moderate a community of this size, for no reward (and apparently no gratitude either) then just don't even think about commenting on it.
Atmays, I agree that I was hoping that thread would continue for longer seeing as we had some good posts, but I completely understand why it was locked, as I imagine this one will be. Simply saying 'I'm not flaming' doesn't mean you aren't making personal attacks. And frankly, your comments about improving the engine is worth nothing - what do we care unless you have something to show for it? No-one is going to say 'atmays is a really constructive member of the community, let's make him global moderator because he thought about adding some stuff to the engine but was really busy'.
Knack isn't just a regular member, the hours he's put in moderating this forum and everything else earn him the right to some respect. When you kids grow up, I hope you'll come to acknowledge what this kind of effort is worth.
Dissapointing.
- Dagless M.D
First off this thread is not meant to be offensive or flaming, instead constructive to the wellbeing of the DigitalPaintball 2 forums.
First off I would like to ask simply what Knack does for the community.
I'm actually stunned. It's posts and replies like this that make me just want to leave this community to rot in the ignorance and squalor it's so fond of.
Who in this thread so far is a productive member of the community? Sure, there are one or two old names, but who actually does anything useful but whine? no-one. Until you children get a grasp on what it takes to organise and moderate a community of this size, for no reward (and apparently no gratitude either) then just don't even think about commenting on it.
Atmays, I agree that I was hoping that thread would continue for longer seeing as we had some good posts, but I completely understand why it was locked, as I imagine this one will be. Simply saying 'I'm not flaming' doesn't mean you aren't making personal attacks. And frankly, your comments about improving the engine is worth nothing - what do we care unless you have something to show for it? No-one is going to say 'atmays is a really constructive member of the community, let's make him global moderator because he thought about adding some stuff to the engine but was really busy'.
Knack isn't just a regular member, the hours he's put in moderating this forum and everything else earn him the right to some respect. When you kids grow up, I hope you'll come to acknowledge what this kind of effort is worth.
Dissapointing.
- Dagless M.D
Even that you say that it is still offensive.
...ur kidding me right?...
Im not anyone to talk since im just a noob here...but still...even I can see that knack does more than enough not to have these atacks.
Idias, I also like your post as it draws up several good points. I often believe that the line between offensive and constructive is often blurred in these forums. In many cases Knack sees to take the offensive side which thus becomes counterproductive. Which is hindering the potential that these forums could be much more constructive. We all know Knack's presence on the forums, but outside of that what does he do? He is active no where but on the forums.
Furthermore, I appreciate feedback from both sides of the issue. Remember, THIS IS CONSTRUCTIVE, NOT OFFENSIVE.
idias, i'm pretty sure you have no say in this either, you haven't even been around for a month.
Moderating the forums isn't a reward or priviledge for helping out the game or clans that play it, it's a job in itself.
So, he chooses to help out by moderating the forums and website.
why lock the thread? forums are made for people opinions negative or positive. that way we can get to know the attitude of the people that play in dp.
I no longer participate in the clan scene because a) it's degenerated into mostly nothing but fly-by-night newbie clans who endlessly leave servers before the scorelimit in some weird childish effort to claim they didn't concede a loss, b) there weren't really many clans good enough to give us a regular run for our money other than er33t at the time, c) we all have other priorities than playing computer games. My clan is [-DarkP-], which may have been before your time - we entered the first PBCup as 2B0 with Pureblood from MeMi and Nhan from GT and took second place to er33t. So please don't insinuate I don't know anything about the clan scene in this game.
That aside, point C is the important one to note in this discussion. It's the reason Knack and anyone else who contributes to this community's effort should be valued, and also the reason why I assume you and your supporters are not mature individuals (which may be wrong of me, if so I apologise). No-one with a family, a job, or any other commitments gives their time to something like this nonchalantly. If they do, it is an act of generosity worth recognising, only those who are at school (and so have lots of spare time) or the unemployed might not realise this distinction.
I don't doubt that those contributors are active in the clan scene and would wish to see it regain popularity, but what measures have they taken to achieve that goal? If we return to the now locked thread about 'How to make the DP clan scene grow', all I see is a few interesting and constructive posts mixed in with a huge amount of garbage, including you being banned for a week. If you want to be constructive, why not take a leaf out of QeHs's book and go out of your way to promote training teams, regular matching and training sessions, good relationships with other clans, etc...
But instead, you'd all rather just contribute mindlessly to a thread which is supposedly not out to cause offence - how do you think Knack will feel when he reads this? especially after the time he's spent cleaning up after endless dimwitted posts which make this forum such a drudge?
- Dag
dp forums is supposed to be our gossip channel.
First off this thread is not meant to be offensive or flaming, instead constructive to the wellbeing of the DigitalPaintball 2 forums. First off I would like to ask simply what Knack does for the community. Next I would like to know why he is a Global Moderator. I realize that he is an 'authority figure', but why? Knack doesn't pub. He is on IRC but it is essentially pointless since I have tried to contact him multiple times with no replies. He appears to just read the forums and discuss without fulling knowing the context of the discussion.
Not to mention he deletes a thread in which i point out that he himself broke the rules of the forum. Hiding something are we knack?
Looking through some of the threads in this section I have came to realize that 50% roughly of the threads are locked (idea originally found by Mewa). I made a thread about navyseal hacking, the thread was constructive and there was no flaming. Within about 2 hours it was locked and moved to where the committee can deal with it.
It just seems that Knack is patrolling the forums in a way that is not needed. He contributes very little, if at all, to the community other than the fact that he locks nearly every thread...constructive or not.
Once again, this thread is not meant to be offensive or flaming. Simply to discuss why Knack is a Global Moderator, and what he is doing productive.
isn't it strange that knack hasn't retaliated to this unlike Mewa's thread O_o
First off this thread is not meant to be offensive or flaming, instead constructive to the wellbeing of the DigitalPaintball 2 forums.(...)
Knack as a global moderator?Exactly right
1. He is not a perfect global mod.
2. Nobody is perfect.
3. Knack is best for the job.
What irritates me the most is not the times when he locks some thread too quickly (some say), but those inside jokes (lol) with zorchenhimer (Hahahaha). It's really annoying >:-D
I think that other people could do the job maybe a bit more in-depth and they could look at the issue closer before locking a thread
The only reason I say Knack is the one locking all the threads is because he always post at the end before he locks it. "Locked and moved for review." or "Locked".
This forum is meant for discussion, and Knack doesn't allow anything.
He is 'nazing' these forums. Controlling all the posts, removing anything he does not like. I don't think it is right for the community, or these forums.
Also pretty weird how all the people that side with Knack are the "forum trolls" who's presence is felt no where but these forums.
EDIT: Maybe some people can open their eyes and realize that offensive posts can lead to productivity. People need to be able to discuss here, or these forums are essentially pointless.
I repeat if he is active or inactive in-game is irrelevant.
And Bix naziing is a litlle too extreme and you say controling the posts like if it was bad...correct me if im wrong but isn't that part of his job?
And you say the ones who support him are "forum trolls" that only exist in forum...funny I've never seen you play...maybe because of time-zones...but don't throw facts that are not true...stop attacking everyone!
You say Knack usees his powers too much if that is the case defend ur point without being rude.
Sorry for my rudeness, idias.
This post will be a bit more candid. Once again I want to touch upon the line of offensive and productive. Most of the discussions on this forum DO offend someone, but are meant to be productive
Agreed 100%. You might not have seen me because I rarely play under DaglessMD, but by the same token I've never seen you Bix. You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding the fact that endlessly announcing that your argument is not meant to offend and isn't a personal attack doesn't make it true.
What a ridiculous statement. What discussions on this forum tick those boxes? I'm sure in your head, mewa's and your own threads about forum moderation lately do, but they are the point of contention. What else? criticism in the mapping forum? That is a required part of the tacitly peer-reviewed map development in this community, and the only ones who offend or are offended are the immature contributors who can't bring themselves to contribute or take valid criticism constructively. Any more? Cheaters and Bans discussion? Just a load of unfettered not-so-righteous indignation posts and idle speculation or proclaimations of dissapointment/anger. Again, where is the co-existence of offensiveness AND constructiveness?
In the interests of a positive community spirit, no-one should have to be offended when they come to be part of it.
And mewa, this game is not 'public'. It happens to be freely distributed, but the financial and opportunity cost of development is paid by people like Knack, jitspoe, server owners, etc... You, nor anyone else has an intrinsic human right to dictate anything about this game or community, it is through the generosity of jitspoe that you even have things like the feature vote to help him prioritise development to please the most number of people. You and I are here but by the grace of those who spend their time to build and maintain this mod and community, the very least you can do is give them some support.
- Dagless MD
Also pretty weird how all the people that side with Knack are the "forum trolls" who's presence is felt no where but these forums.
Bix is on almost everyday..
...funny I've never seen you play...
I think we should remove "Knack" from the equation and talk more about the processes and rules regarding what should be locked and what should not be locked.
Lekky, there are no 'processes' or 'rules' with respect to the forum administration. In fact there is truly nothing objective about it.
All of the mods lock threads and the creators lock them too. If I was a mod I would lock this thread because it just about some people whining just because the mods aren't doing things the way they want them to
I urge all of you to consider that sifting through literally hundreds of forum posts every week is an exhausting job and one that KnacK has never recently, nor in the past been praised or thanked for. Looking through the last 20 deleted posts that I didn't have to deal with (spam, one is just titled "." and says "." in the message, and many more of the same old worthless posts). I must say, thanks KnacK
If you could understand my english that is probably using a vocabulary higher than your own you would understand that is what I am saying.
First off this thread is not meant to be offensive or flaming, instead constructive to the wellbeing of the DigitalPaintball 2 forums.If you could understand my english that is probably using a vocabulary higher than your own you would understand that is what I am saying.
dp has been dying for a couple of years now, just like those clothes shops that have a "closing down" sale right?
I think this thread is to the point where everyone understands my point