Digital Paint Discussion Board
Paintball 2: The Game => Server Discussion => Topic started by: loial21 on June 06, 2005, 06:13:53 PM
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Greetings and welcome to the world of lag free gaming brought to you by Loial.
Several rules:
1: No visual abnormalities
2: No FPS hacks
3. No rat/z or other happy bots allowed (bob)
4. No flooding server(oversizing packets)with happyness
5. No exploits (by my definition) at all.
6. No leet geeking we are all equal.
7. No Abusive behavior toward anyone.
8. No settings that harm others will be allowed.
9. No spoofing names
10. If you are lagging in server you will be asked to reconnect.
11. If you are asked to stop spamming chat by anyone you will comply and do your best.
*new rule
Comming
12. Do not recruit, do not challenge or pester players on chat.
You will be warned once for any of these offenses after which you will be kicked. To be reinstated you must petition to me or Jitspoe on this topic.
I will be keeping a log of known offensives and offenders among other details of your visits.
Please have fun and Respect each others authority to own.
***edit server is open for matches
Read and understand
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Which tools do I need?
1. Like loading maps onto server remotely via your gui then adding then to maplist. Not user friendly
2. The option to perm/temp ban (from mac address) or just kick
3. The ability to slide adjust gravity
4. The ability to slide adjust ball flight (speed)
5. The ability to slide adjust what some call fade decals ( ball paint does not fade )
6. The ability to drop files in to a remote admin folder for server customization, or a complete remote server interface via your gui .
and some others but alas my point...
RCON what good is it for if the average user cant access an user friendly menu.
Most of these I believe you know should be done for the person who is interested in hosting remotely and is not a programmer :)
***edit*** I could be wrong, i am and i need help from someone who is not above from helping someone.
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3. No rat/z or other happy bots allowed (bob) <--- lmfao
WHAT??? ;) Bob does not cheat.
so in effect rule about bob does not apply WICKED!!!
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1. There's a GUI interface for managing rotation, though it's probably easier just to type, "rotation add <mapname>" at the console.
2. There is an option to kick players under "manage players" I think in the admin menu. I haven't done any banning stuff because that's a little more complicated.
3 & 4. These types of settings really shouldn't be modified like that as they drastically impact gameplay. They're customizeable, as is practically everything else in the game, but they're not really something that should be messed around with, and as such, I have no intentions of putting a GUI interface to them (and even if I did, it'd be so low on the priority list that it probably wouldn't get done for 3 or 4 years anyway ;)).
5. Not a server side setting, but ok... Actually, I'm planning on redoing the splats completely (to make them true, surface-clipped decals. Right now they're just a single-polygon model that sits above the surface and looks kind of crappy).
6. This is beyond the scope of the game, really. I'll have to come up with some sort of way for you guys to manage your own servers, but that's getting off topic.
I do want to make the remote admin stuff more user-friendly, but it's kind of low priority because it only affects a couple people. I need to focus on the stuff that affects everyone.
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Thank you for your time and attention.
1 I cant load maps via remote admin tool. More than 1/2 of the maps u have available on our/my rotation i can not load.
Some maps (no comment please) are blitz, ice, indune etc... I wish to have access to change to any map i wish. Period.
As stated before our ideas of "popular" maps differ sadly because i have not a map biased. Which sadly must say form a gamers standpoint is a deficienty
Please allow custom loading of new maps for the Newb or manual load them at cost to me in regards to my server.
2 I Completely understand however if your so adamant about eliminating cheating (z/rat bots or any other lame q2 tweaks) why not make it easier for the admin to kick or ban (temp/perm) these cheats? This should be priority until the split.
3@4 No problem its very minor slide toggle
5 Good to see
6 This is a next gen idea, most user(s) wish for this and get shot down.
Summation to Jitspoe thank you, but I need specific help loading maps remotely either via rcon or orhter methods.
Lastly I assume to much, my sincere apology.
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Argh, loial, you're stressing me out here. I'm sorry, but I have to comment. I'm trying to completely eliminate godawful maps like blitz, and here you are wanting to put it on your server. It's more than just a difference in opinion. From a purely subjective and technical standpoint, blitz is just bad, period. I mean, it's just a box. There's no detail on the walls whatsoever -- just a flat box. There's not a single aligned texture in the whole map. There are floating boxes with a freaking flag banner texture on them and walls with a barrel texture. It's ridiculous. While you might be completely blind to the atrocity of maps like that, other people are not, and it's turning new players away. I'll get responses like,
Your game blows. ... Then when I finally got it, the map was awful...
And I can't really blame him. I mean, if I checked out a new game and played something like blitz, I'd probably never play again. It's still really frustrating when people blow off the whole game because of bad maps. We could fix that, though, by eliminating bad maps. I hope you'll be with me on this. It means a lot to me.
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any chance of helping me get maps loaded onto server?
Just give me a list. At the moment there's no way to upload files to the server.
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thank you
I will comply with your opinions of bad maps
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I'm with ye, however think on this.
Players that have no mapping experience enter a new map they don't see what your seeing, its your instinct of quality mapping that takes over. Sadly allot of low quality, fun maps are effected. and it is a matter of opinion, one from a mapper, developer and one from purely player standpoint. Lets try to balance the two. When i finshed playing the map my final thoughts are was that fun? A pure and simple question.
Most new players are going to see the game from a player perspective only . Sadly not from people who know what a poorly made map is. For example my friends at work and even the developers of q2WOD (hhr/wod) johny/cygnus or (hhr/wod)shedevil) love playing blitz, its challenging to the highly skilled FPS but we would never want to play it night and day it does get old.
However this does mean a lot to ye and I have and will continue the money for the servers no matter what.
** way of topic sorry,
Most people that blow off any game is because of cheaters not bad maps. Period. Any rebuts? ???
Thank you for your time, expertise, patience and a willingness to make your game better.
Love,
Loial
(Craig and Sumer)
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Looks like those rules would have IronFist banned from the start.
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Thank you for inputting some things I by stupidity alone can not articulate.
In fact, when big maps come on people leave
Notice I left out why they leave, because it does not matter, they leave period.
This is Jitspoe's child and my gift to him more or less so he has final say in regards to maps will be allowed on my server.
Jitspoe,
For now please add airtime420, nitefactor, antioch, spalt- mesa, spelunker, hillside3, KOTH. Thank you Jitspoe. I was upset not at having no access to blitz others but because they were on the Maplist but not on the server, and besides I could only load 6 maps. :(
However I would like to make a plea to you Jitspoe. You mentioned that I was a good dancer last night in pickup. I can guarantee you that I only got that good by playing in a small enclosed enviorments. Unless your looking to have a huge gap in the quality of players. You might want to consider blitz a "training map" just like the jump maps are for. ITS ANY UGLY MAP, but like the gentlemen mention allot of this community play maps that your not very fond of.
I propose this tier maps in to categories.
Newbie, Intermediate, advanced. Now is that not simple.
I can all ready see the gleam in your eyes, the newbies will be picked on. True but hopefully with more willing honest admins willing to help (pay) out (its only 60 freaking bucks gents and ladies cough it up) they can get a better grasp on who is picking on who.
Also one other helpful tool until you can phase out q2 , wod servers have done this with great success is kill/death ratio boot. For instance I was playing with maybe one or 2 newbies on a wod server and was flying around railing the crap out of them over a 30 min period, I was then booted by a script for using a zbot (which a abhorred to me since did not even know (at the time) what zbot even was) so, after getting so many kills in a fixed amount of time with time in game as a factor i was booted. This was a script Pinchbird wrote to combat cheaters (BoB) and it works great. This would prevent master pber's and cheats from chasing off newbs despite the map.
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You don't have to be a mapper to see that a map looks like absolute crap. The first thing a new player sees is exactly that -- what they see. If what they see looks terrible, that bad first impression is already made.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying blitz is bad because it's small. I'm saying it's bad because it's horribly constructed. Compare it to something like the new warehouse map, which is about the same size, but so much better. Or, if you must have the same gameplay style, jakesmistake is practically the same thing, but looks significantly better.
While there are some people who like the crappy maps, hell, maybe even the majority at this point, it's not billions - probably not even hundreds. It's just a small handful. Most people who used to play the game for its strategic elements have up and left, or just idle on IRC and talk about the "good 'ol days." The problem we have here is that servers are constantly running 5-minute-attention-span maps for all the kids with ADD, and everybody else has gotten tired of the repetitive gameplay and moved onto another game.
I mean, face it. When was the last time you refreshed the server list and didn't see blitz or pbcup on? Usually they're on 3 or 4 servers. The same 3 or 4 maps are always up on at least 50% of the servers, and they're bad maps. New players are pretty much guaranteed to see a poorly constructed map the first time they play. It may not bother some, but will drive others away, and the ones it drives away are often the ones we want to keep.
Anyway, I'm ranting.
loial: the reason maps show up on the list for rotation management is because they are created from the list you have on your hard drive. At the moment, there is no way for the GUI to tell what the server has on its hard drive (and it wouldn't be very secure if it did). I do need to work out a way to do that, though, so you can see which maps are in the rotation and which maps are on the server that can be added.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying on that last paragraph. Are you suggesting we kick players who are doing well? It doesn't sound like it works great if it kicks non-cheaters. :)
Oh, and I'll get those maps uploaded when I get home.
Edit: maps uploaded. I put up spelunker2 instead -- I'm pretty sure it's the same thing except for the lighting (original spelunker has some really dark areas on it making it unfair to people with darker monitors).
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God Damm,
Im missing the best parts of DP.
Pissing me off that computer not running good enough, GRRRRRARRRRRRR
-Termin8oR
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A 7/1 ratio is not realistic after a full game (not round) and if it is your playing against newbies which is not fair to the NEWBIES, the offending players or the game thus all parties are effective there should be some kind of Newbie protection in place, since you profess keeping newer players rather than Bob. :) he he
Adult Attention Deficit Disorder is not funny, its real, I have to be constantly stimulated.
Thanks, more map requests to come.
Again, the last thing I look at is the"look" of it, my question is was it worth my time play (most of the maps you do not like are) Is it fun?
I don't know any better, your instincs as a good mapper is clouding your vision.
jk ur a horrible mapper :)
I was struck by lighting for lying your a god of mapping only becuase s8n sez so and I concure
Please forgive me the Spurs just won I got a little suace in me and I feel giddy.
Taco,
That would include you 2 you freakin genious.
If I know you know how to cheat your now suspect. :D
Only snipen is allowed to treat me like stuff and cheat if he wants to..
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Jitspoe...just so you know...in case you haven't checked them out, or have and tossed them to the side...
I built airtime & nitefactor. Actually, I built nitefactor off fluidX's original design upon request.
Both those maps, although not "pretty" maps, are well built, well lit, and are rspeed friendly.
Airtime, it turns out, is a very nice strategic map. You can have people coming at you from multiple direction. You have to always be on guard. Someone grabbing a flag while you're on the other side of the map doesn't automatically mean they're going to get a cap. There are plenty of intercept opportunities. The weapon balance, although people have female doged for me to make all autocockers, is fair. Getting an autococker makes you put yourself in a vulnerable position. The map begs for you to flat out rush, but that is certain suicide with a good opponent.
Yes the map is small & fast. And in most public games the map is played with little regard to strategic positioning, but those elements are there, and used successfully by the better players. Give it a go mate.
nitefactor is a copy of speedfactor. I basically took the design and cleaned it up bringing down the rspeeds dramatically. With some added features like the back tunnel, and some extra ledges, the map isn't about the "speed factor" through the middle any more.
Both of those maps, however small and unprettyfied, are rspeed friendly, offer multiple paths, and are fun to play.
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Wee s8n maps weee!!!!!
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Most of my post are done at work so....
Yes taco I have a hard time articulating so I do go back and correct often and mix in some random thoughts, no you dont offend but you do smell so wash your taco some time :) kisses
IT does not matter the original intention of the map maker its how the game evolved, live with it, I do. I cant believe one freaking map (which is ugly and plays like crap but is fun) is such a cause for concern. If I were a game software writer like yourself would be more concerned over people cheating than playing on bad maps. Its not like your forced to play it, unlike somethings are being forced you have a choice to play or not besides the round or over in 5 min. :) time enough to smoke a bowl or pour a refill.
I have something worthwhile . I am honored young man, praytell what are they?
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"Jitspoe,
For now please add airtime420, nitefactor, antioch, spalt- mesa, spelunker, hillside3, KOTH. Thank you Jitspoe. I was upset not at having no access to blitz others but because they were on the Maplist but not on the server, and besides I could only load 6 maps"
Edit: maps uploaded. I put up spelunker2 instead -- I'm pretty sure it's the same thing except for the lighting (original spelunker has some really dark areas on it making it unfair to people with darker monitors).
S8NSSON: I don't recall saying anything bad about airtime or nitefactor ('cept I might have commented on the all-autocockers). Those maps are actually miles better than some of the crap in regular rotation. I loaded up airtime on ev1 and played that today -- it was pretty fun. Even more fun when we played pgp only. There's a nice satisfaction about nailing somebody that's like 10 feet up in the air. While the geometry isn't super complex, at least it's not an eye sore like some of the maps.
Anyway, I just want to try to phase out the maps that will make a new player join, say, "Eww! this game looks awful!" and move on.
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Jitspoe,
Please make me a list of maps that you don't want, then load the rest.
***edit*** any idea when this can be done, any way I can help?
Anyway, I just want to try to phase out the maps that will make a new player join, say, "Eww! this game looks awful!" and move on
OK for those that like transisitonal summating / statements, here is mine.
1. "While I understand the intentions and your points of view about new players being turned away from game seems to be your overriding concern. Not combating cheaters"
I am compelled and must interject on behalf of the silent majority (a devils advocate) that plays your gift to us, thus my only question and answer"
Loial Q."Could it be that we were forced into poor maps"
evl Loial A. "Most likely, but now the corruption has begun how to purge it with legitamacy, a vote map is the only non biased/ violent procedure that is easily available ?"
Let a vote be taken 100% of the time. Don't force it.
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Update
Server is running fine however I am missing some files as described above. Good thing to report other than someone glowing (gl_moderate?) no other admin warning were needed.
Jitspoe, would you please let me know if your working on getting me the 2nd request of new maps? Look at the above post. BTW servers are rocking thanks.
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Just a few simple rules: More than one path, aligned textures, properly vised & lit, no transparent bunkers, preferably no bad brushwork, preferably not all autos. Just about anything else I'm OK with, with a few exceptions both ways.
I haven't had time to sort through the 300-some maps and see what's worthwhile, so just let me know what you want.
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Thanks Ironfist. Your only half as bad as I think you are ;) You and pink need to show up
I need some smaller, faster playing maps to get the attention of the younger/new players. So with that in mind I will take any suggestions seriously and argue to get them on if they are known fun maps and they are not BLitz esk (dang) as God has decieded they belong in banishment from thou's heaven of Digitalpaint. Seriously help I need finding some fun unknown maps.
Jitspoe,
Thanks, for now will you please add Ub_Canyon, Winterland, Palmtreea, Palm3, antioch the one with lower tunnels (I know no cockers but comon its fun and I promise to limit these)
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I don't have winterland. I have winter1, though -- "Winter Wonderland" -- is that what you mean? Palm3 == palmtree3? And I uploaded all 3 Antiochs.
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thank bud , server was getting full and fun . good to see but mostly new players :( and yes winter wonderland and sandstorm.
Thanks again btw 0104:17 am GO TO BED!!!!
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I don't think i've ever stayed up until 104 hours and 17 minutes after midnight.
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yeah... been working hard on that water code. ;)
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saw that :)
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Jits,
Please add all 3 shazams
Btw why do object to see-through bunkers, from a player standpoint?
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They take away a lot of defense and are ugly.
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All 3? Which 3? There are like 20 shazam clones. I think I'd prefer shazamr to shazam since it at least looks a little better... then there's like kablam, spizam, toe jam...
As for transparent bunkers... what's the point of having a bunker if you can see right through it? There's more to the game than who can shoot who first... at least there is on good maps. There should always be a way to outsmart your enemy -- sneak up behind him and shoot him in the back or grab the flag. If the bunkers are transparent, the game boils down to just running around and shooting which gets old pretty quick.
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shazam is the best!
toe jam? I'll have to look at that.
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Please do. I'm tired of your stinky feet. ;)
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If the bunkers are transparent, the game boils down to just running around and shooting which gets old pretty quick.
Point taken, however is that not what defines a FPS. My point is this some of those bunkers are newb friendly, period and do not harm the game if they are done in moderation. Moreover they negate to a degree wallhacks and untill you eleminate those hacks see-through bunkers give comfort to those that dont trust others. One great example would be yardspeed.bsp (EII).
Speaking of please add yardspeed, yoy, shazrm, shaz22.
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See, we don't want noobs. We want real players.
Okay, let me rephrase that differently.
It brings up the players wrong. They learn how to play wrong.
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Yeah, I agree with eiii on this one. That being said, I don't think yoy or yardspeed would be good maps. I've already uploaded shazamr and shazam22. Another condition: no box maps. :)
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In case you haven't noticed, we aren't exactly going for realistic right now.
See, we don't want noobs. We want real players.
1st SO WHO IS WE?
2nd FIRST OF ALL WHO's SERVER IS THIS?
3rd. EIII make up your freaking mind!!!
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God JITSPOE WTF!! As person of legitamate thinking why in gods name would anyone adhear to the "ANTI-NEWB" rhetoric. WHY?
This non public playing and anti newb friendly moron has to say about what is best for newbs. I say let the newbs speak for them selves freaking period. What do you have to say other than that you agree with the anti newb?
God I hope you responce is not one if ignororace
**edit the server was half full tonght with "newb friendly maps"
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Um... your quote implies that noobs = realism. What do you mean by that?
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Your quote not mine.
You explain.
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Let's see if I can explain this better: there are basically two types of newbies -- the players familiar with FPS games but have never played paintball2, and the players who have never played FPS games at all. I'd say that most new players probably have fair experience with FPS's. They've probably at least played the Counter-Strike mod or UT2004.
Let's take a look at CS for a moment. I'm not a huge CS fan, but it's the most popular online FPS for a reason, and while I'm still curious as to what that reason is, it isn't because it's newbie friendly. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that it's the most newbie-unfriendly FPS game I've ever played. You have to buy better guns and equipment to be able to kill people more easily. You have to have money to buy equipment. You have to kill people to get money. Argh! How am I supposed to be able to kill people if I don't have the money to buy better equipment to kill people with to get money to buy better equipment!? Not to mention the fact that there's no respawning. Once you've lost in your pistol vs. aug battle (because you couldn't afford a gun), you're out until everybody else is dead or the 5-minute time limit is up. I'm not saying I like this, and I'm not saying we should make the game like CS. I'm just saying a game doesn't have to be newbie friendly to be popular.
So we've established that it's not the newbie-friendliness that makes CS popular. Let's take a look at some of the CS maps, then. Dust? Multiple paths. Dust2? Multiple paths. Office? Multiple paths. Assault? Multiple paths. In fact, every last one of the major CS maps has lots of routes and sometimes even multiple locations for various goals. Hell, lots of servers will even run the same map 24/7. Why? Because the design of the map allows for unique gameplay every round. We need maps like this. Maps you can play for hours on end and not get bored, as opposed to the boring-after-five-minutes-spray-and-pray-autocockers-in-a-box maps that are running rampant now.
Now what about UT2004? I'll just say this. If you have it, load up one of the 1-vs-1 maps. Notice that it's about 5x's the size of pbcup, a map often played with 10 people. Do the math: 5x's as many people, 1/5th the volume. That means we've got like 25x's the player-to-map-volume ratio professional game designers of a popular game feel is appropriate. In other words, we're cramming way too many people into too small of an area. It removes many gameplay elements as players might as well just spray -- they're more likely to hit something that way. There's no sense in using any strategy as the whole thing is just one big clusterf*.
Now, you say these "newbie friendly" maps are good in moderation, but there is no moderation. Refresh the server list. 3/4 of the servers are running pbcup, theice, or some other crappy, small, 1-path, or autos-in-a-box map. Now I've gone off on a bit of a tangent here, but my initial point I planned to make was this:
These small 1-path maps aren't really newbie friendly to the first type of newbie, which I think is the majority. Newbies with experience in other FPS games may not be able to aim a paintball gun well, apply the proper lead, etc., but they can use strategy learned from other games to get the jump on other players... or can they? They can't if all the bunkers are transparent! They can't if the map is so small that there's only like 2 strategic locations and people spray there every round! They can't if the map is just a box!
The thing I was agreeing with eiii about is that it brings up players wrong. Players come up thinking that to win the game, you just spray, or that you don't have to think, just shoot whoever's in front of you. They get in this mentality of playing, and when a good map comes up, they think it sucks because they have no clue how to use strategy and end up getting railed on. Unfortunately they're the ones that complain the loudest, and pretty soon 9 out of 10 servers have these crappy maps in rotation. The other players simply sit in silent protest most of the time or move onto another game. And skilled new players blow off the game completely. Sad thing is, many players haven't even seen some of the better maps because they're not in rotation on most servers.
Anyway, I have to go. Sorry if my rambling was incoherent.
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In case you haven't noticed, we aren't exactly going for realistic right now.
See, we don't want noobs. We want real players.
Okay. You say that those two quotes contradict each other. Those quotes have nothing to do with each other.
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Before I read your post Jitspoe I would like to apologize for my last post. After reading it sober I suck.
***EDIT Excellent points, thank you for your time.
What set me off was eiii comment about not wanting newbs. Not a good attitude if your wanting new players. You really should put attitudes like that in check. Not asking you to say or do anything about it. Just privately condem it.
Moderation, I was referring more to the amount of bunkers on a map, but now that you brought this up. Your point about having fun on a map for hours. Most other players have very little time to play not to mention the attention span (not I) so they want as much action as can be had. Let them have it in the form of a MOD, name it "Paintball Practice" nuff said . This does two things it shuts people up and it seperates the men from the boys. Do it, there is no other logical way unless you want to competely eliminate more than half of this community from the game they love and a few leet others hate.
Respawning, this is what sets this game from others apart. If you dont get to respawn you tend to play more careful, it promotes careful thinking, which you seem to adore :) . Alas we do respawn that is a huge selling point to gamers "I dont have to wait that long weeeeee" thus the influx of "bad" maps being played most often. The generally are fast action and a large field of view.
As of yet there has not been complaint about the server or cheating or admin abuse, this is will stay this way despite your answer to my next question.
Can I please be able to pick what ever map I want and if it is one that you deem unfiit allow me to load it but not on the rotation. Despite your anwser I have no problem with denying lame maps when requested, in fact this is the only degrading feeling about this situation is not being able to say yes to really old friendse. Oh well. Again sorry about the late night rant I was a jerk.
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Loial I want screenshots of the maps and some player scores PLEASE.
I wanna see how everyone is doing in skill level! Cant Be ME! HeHe
-Termin8oR
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"Paintball Practice" ... what would they be practicing, though? Having a "practice" mod where you'd play box/1-path maps is really the opposite of what you'd want people to be practicing, because there they'd be practicing how to play without thinking. Spraying the only path into the base with an autococker doesn't really take much practice. :)
I'm not really sure how respawn time correlates to map size as it's the same regardless of the map size, unless you're just saying that because there are respawns, it attracts impatient people. I think respawns are kind of necessary, though, for CTF style gameplay, just to keep things flowing. Maybe if a flag capture were only worth 1 point as in CS style gameplay they wouldn't be, but when several points are involved...
Though not all game modes have respawns. Siege, for example, has no respawns. I wish there were more siege maps. In 4-team maps, when your whole team is out, you can't respawn, either. I wish there were some quality 4-team maps, too. Of course it's also possible to set elim to 0 and have no respawns in regular ctf, too.
It looks like you're starting a new thread about map requests, so I will address your requested selections there.
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What would the point be jump maps?
What would the point be if all the maps are huge traverses in which only a handful of players (my self included) would want to play, and really the only reason I do is because to some one who LIVES FPS there is no such thing as "bad" maps.
The point being what good is a good map if most players being new to the game or vets don't enjoy them as much as the do pbcub or ice. Most players being an understatement. :)
I really don't understand the biased of a poorly planned map, deal with what you were given and overcome it, don't whine about it eiii ;) and call it ugl, again a players point of view not a mappers. If participation is any indication of what you would call a successful program then surmise the participation of lately, compaired to last year. This saddens me deeply. I don't care at all what your going to do with this game, I do care that good players are turning away from good maps, because of a lack of attention span.
In your opinion why are not the good maps being played?
Why does server after server that have players playing *(which now has become a rarity) requesting bad map after bad map?
I remember the days when you had to wait to get on any server despite the maps playing, I have said this before :( sorry I will go now.
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Sometimes, the box maps are actually really good. Jakemistake is one of the best box maps I played, and doesn't play like most box maps do.
To answer your question on why the good maps are not being played is because just the nature of this game makes it fast paced. See someone, attack, dodge, until one of you dies.
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Your cutting into our conversation. BEGONE!
:P
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Sometimes, the box maps are actually really good. Jakemistake is one of the best box maps I played, and doesn't play like most box maps do.
To answer your question on why the good maps are not being played is because just the nature of this game makes it fast paced. See someone, attack, dodge, until one of you dies.
Thank you for an honest reply I am truly stunned. Is that really you?
Taco what the hell happened to e3rrt? Untill you fully explain why, dont bother replying.
I miss Bainer, Mental ;( blitz and y2 happy!!! What are their opinions on good maps?
Just trying to bring instrest back.
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Where are they taco ? Why dont they play public? I can host a match anytime.
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***crickets***
Ok on to my next point, Dear Jitspoe this is more an FYI the server was flooded to crap last night to the point where I had to reconnect. This was after asking COBO to reconnect which he did and might have been the root cause ,who knows. But POD IS POS and that is one reason I decided to help besides my love for you POD and client side proxy cheats suxor.
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It was flooded as in there were a lot of people or as in it was attacked?
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Attacked. I dont ever, ever overflow or pj period. Note I was on RR however not the "work" connection coupled with the fact that I have 5 times the system requirments for Q2 i know when the server is attacked or my modem was flooded on porpuse and with the right info off the server I can tell which.
Btw is there any way a MAP like JUMP can cause severe server lag.
If it was the server lag then a server reset should be done. These servers can handle anythign q2 has to offer.
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What info do you need? I doubt jump would cause lag -- if any map would, it'd be one of those box-of-autococker maps.
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Here ye here ye, Last night Jitspoe whoooped my arse severly, all I have to say is nice zbot usage :) jk gg bud I got a little more repspect for ye.
You still look like Kid Rock when he was young.
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OK JITSPOE here is the problem. Someone joins my server using someone else's name or their own. There fraggin the crap out of teammates at spawn I tried warning , i tried kicking
WHAT THE intercourse AM I SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!
God dam this is just the kind of crap i was warning you about. Who is it fair to? How long will you let this continue?
I ask now that you please first make a toggleable grenade as far as ff not ff.
Second a freaking global player/ban list.
Lastly try getting new good players with sheet happening.
This again is the only community that not only considers cheating a laughing matter. Sometimes it is BUT NOT WHEN YOUR TAKING OUT UR WHOLE TEAM!!!
Is this what you call good gaming? I think not.
Why invest my time (phawq the money) in playing this game where teamates are bent on killing you to exploit a merry ass player ban. I am pissed.
NHan if that was you wtf I have never ever done or said anything to cause you to act like this or any one in GT for that matter. I have done nothing but respect and yes love yall over these past several years. I dont have to count the hours of fun we (gt and I) have had playing. Now dont think for one instance that this will turn my feelings to this great group of friends. But what your accused of is grievous gameplay and if I could I would smake your arm till it was numb for being an egghead. Out of all clans I would have never expected this from yours.
Now that brings us back to the most intercoursed up thing. Lets say some one does not like gt or the maps we like and has agenda or what ever, this game and its developers as far as I have seen just laugh at sheet like this and really dint care. I have not seen anything to prove otherwise. For all I know I am venting on someone who they claim not to be. WHERE IS THE sense of urgency to perserve the HONOR??? forget the players they can not be trusted.
PHAWQING PISSED
Loial
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Step 1) Log in.
Step 2) listuserip
Step 3) addip <ip of the person doing this>
Step 4) writeip
Step 5) kick the player
Step 6) post the ip of the player here in the forum so other server admins can ban him/her as well.
(Yes, it's not very well documented, that's why I'm posting it here so you know what to do). There are always going to be trouble makers, regardless of what the mod is. It's up to the server admins to keep them away.
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Loial tears up,
TY
Now that they have read this and done the damage.
rinse repeat for now and then what?
DSL. That wont work it is not static
Cable. More static per say.
future...keep this game cleaner with global logins and global name bands
Sadly this moron has ruined the use of friendly fire grenades. IN MY MIND AND SERVER. Please change server settings now. THIS SUCKS
To u who did this I hope U like your self u just phawqed up this game for me and others who dont cheat. Time for you to make your intentions known if not know this, You will be jaded. Perhaps the developers could back me up on this?? i dare them.
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Jitspoe please note the amount of no usual stupid ass comments , taco iron eii s8n etc etc....where is the superior intellect now?
ULTRA EDIT
Hobo aka Krewzer U might have a poor opinion of my style but before i found this forum which I assume was FAIR , which it is not to new players. When I say new players I mean those that started playing daily like the ones that made this game has.
Krewzer/ Hobo, and others that have gamed I all ask POST UR OPINION'S regarding the above described topics. ok perhaps ur a poor human example. I wished for more.
If U do not understand the above or ignore the quagmire we are facing then please respond as to why you think that people who are cheating and or using someone else's name is a legitimate FPS standard and OK?
WHAT I CANT HERE YOU?
edit to the below lame excuse of using more than one name
You make no sense...
WHAT you have no opinion? Jesus ur statement is way weaker than ur game play
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You make no sense...
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You make no sense...
Please try reading line by line. Not comprehending what i say makes you look more ignorant than I am.
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I have begged alot of fair (so i stil think) players to help post thier opionions. Thus nothing. Forum bullies are ye happy?
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For some reason you've called my name... only heaven knows why...
You come into the server, start telling me I'm all kinds of crap most of which doesn't make sense.... then you tell me to read your post and won't stop spamming my name... calling me a hyprocrite, telling me I have to say "ns" to you and that I'm not nice... telling me I HAVE to respect you... wtf is your problem?
Why should anyone care what name I use? (I was using Krewzer at this time) I assume that's what you're trying to find out... I use several names, some of them people associate with me and some names people don't... IT DOESN'T MATER!!! Why do I use different names? Again who cares? If registered names are incorporated I'll use them just like anyone... I DON'T CARE!
I don't know if you were mad at me or what but I DOESN'T MATTER! Sometimes I get mad and say stuff I regret saying, sometimes I don't regret it... most of the time I just play the game. It's a fun game most of the time but for some reason you and others seem to think I have to do what you tell me to do... well... whatever...
Spoofing? You come up with some whoopers... wtf is spoofing?
You want to know what I think about cheating? Who cares what I think? You get 10 people to tell me they care and I'll tell you what I think about it. Otherwise stop demanding I stop playing in the middle of a game to read your friggin post, which makes no sense anyway.
You ramble like you're trying to get an extra sentence in before you die or something... btw I don't wish death on you but you're getting there.
Anyway now I'm rambling so I'll stop for now.
Krewzer/Hobo/Others
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I have been reading this forum for awhile and as far Loial's rules and regulations go, i agree completely. Having to deal with speed hacks ruining a match I'm winning, really pisses me off. Not having to deal with excrement like that is a plus in my book. Hobo, as far as Loial telling you what to do......I can't imagine Loial being unjust. In my two years playing here I have never had a problem and I play every single day. Keep up the good work Loial, I love the server and it's great pings :)
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I guess I'm the only one who doesn't understand what he's trying to tell me...
As far as being unjust, I never said he was unjust about anything. All I said was he shouldn't tell me what to do. By this I meant how to play the game. But, I never did figure out exactly why he called me out... Does it matter... not very much. All I can think of is the different names I use... We weren't even playing on his server at the time, and I truly was just trying to play.
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Dear Hobo or better known as Krewzer dont be obtuse
By this I meant how to play the game
I was asking your dear opionion on my rant of this evening. The server was done a great injustice by abusing the server rulez that jitpoie laid down. Despite, After all the gt admin ranting and anti loial posts I assumed you would be a logical person to explain why u play the maps you play and why you condone spoofing for better or for worse. Why regress on the fun we have had?
I vaule your opinion as a PUBLIC player.
THAT is all, read and respect please better yet dont detract what happened to night ot a lot of good people on a updated server>>>JITSPOE HELP US THAT ARE HONEST ..... .)
WCH bless you.
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Ok, the problem is I don't know what you're talking about. What rant are you talking about?
I'll usually play whatever map is on, I don't like some maps but I still play them because I know it'll only last so long. If I don't like the map I have the option to leave, sometimes I express my opinion before I leave.
If I abuse your server rules then deal with it however you think you need to. It's your server and your rules. Jitspoe can make all the rules he wants, but rules will be broken, it's simply a fact. I don't know if you're talking about me breaking your rules or just people in general.
My "anit-loial" posts are mostly just to get you excited. I just know you will see them and spit and sputter.
I assume spoofing is using a name other than your "normal" name. Well, I have about 5 "normal" names, so I'm not spoofing. Why do I condone spoofing? Who says I do? I say it's a part of the game, just like camping,lining, rushing, complaining or whatever, get over it.
As far as the GT server abuse... move on, I've tried to.
Hopefully I have either answered your questions or at least let you know "my opinion".
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Ok, Loial, calm down. If you expect people to take the time read and respond to your posts, please take the time to make posts that people can read and respond to. I usually have to read your posts 3 or 4 times over before I understand 50% of what you're trying to say. Type in complete sentences. Make the subject clear. Type you prost in Word and run a grammar and spell check on it if you have to. If you want somebody's opinion on something, ask for opinions specifically on a particular subject, don't just ramble on in a nonsensical manner and expect people to understand what you're talking about.
Now that they have read this and done the damage.
Now that who has read what, and what damage have they done by reading it?
rinse repeat for now and then what?
Do what now? By reading your following comment about non-static ip's, I assume you mean that you will have to keep re-banning people when their ip changes. You should state that clearly up front (if that's actually what you mean) so we don't have to go on an easter egg hunt through your post to figure out what you're talking about.
future...
"In the future,"
Hobo aka Krewzer U might have a poor opinion of my style but before i found this forum which I assume was FAIR , which it is not to new players.
Before you found the forum, what? You're missing the main point of the sentence there. In fact, nothing about that sentence makes sense. How is a forum unfair to new players?
I all ask POST UR OPINION'S regarding the above described topics.
"I all ask"? What are the above described topics? How forums are unfair to new players? That there are morons who ruin the game? At least you clarified this with your edit, but in the original post you never once asked for opinions on why cheats/spoofs appear to be considered OK, and that topic is pretty broad anyway. It's like asking "Why do people do bad things?"
I hate to dissect your post like this, but with all your talk about being fair, it's not fair to get upset with people for not understanding your post when you don't make the effort to make it understandable, and it doesn't help to call someone "a poor human example" when he gives an honest response.
As for friendly fire grenades, you can change that setting as an admin. The cvar is grenadeffire.
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:) sorry hobo and ty
How is a forum unfair to new players?
Uh remember the dday post etc...gt bashing. Mocking others opinions. I guess i should have said that first. Alot of what I type is assumed.
I hate to dissect your post like this, but with all your talk about being fair, it's not fair to get upset with people for not understanding your post when you don't make the effort to make it understandable, and it doesn't help to call someone "a poor human example" when he gives an honest response
The rant from last night was an emotional responce and not well thought out. I am sure you can understand someone messing up a game things can get out of hand. At the time the server was full of friends at least 16 players and I was very upset, becuase I assume that was someone spoofing GT which is not unheard of. This is where I feel there is a lack of sense of urgency. I am at the short end of the stick and it sucks :)
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Do you seriously think having a login system will magically stop all bad behavior?
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Do you mind new players being made fun of and being spoofed?
Why not show that you care about such things as a trivial global login and stats. Do i need to explain most successful games use such systems.
(rhetorical Heard of PunkBuster) = Overstatment
Its makes by its very being, a player more secure in knowing their integrity and honor are not compromised. Is that important to you jitspoe as player?
Is it money and or time that stop this from being something useful? How can I help?
The last question will be dismissed but not the first. Alas i wish a solution to this.
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Trivial?? I don't think you understand how massive of an undertaking this is. Time is certainly the issue here. We're talking about a secure, centralized database capable of communicating between game clients and game servers to validate client identities (as well as log statistics and other information) without making it possible for hackers to sniff packets, modify the source, or use other means to compromise user logins / cheat the system. I figure it'll take a couple of months of testing alone after I get it designed and implemented.
And then there comes dealing with upset players when their stats get reset or their login doesn't work because of bugs, connection issues, or whatever else pops up to cause problems, which I would like to minimize by taking the time to design it correctly in the first place.
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Insert Quote
Do you mind new players being made fun of and being spoofed?
Thanks for the elaboration I can appreciate hard work in getting everything to sync, the project I am on right now for instance was supposed to be released in 1997 its now 2005 and we barley just broke our 1,000,000 customer base. But alas Jitpoe I was honestly looking for yes or no answer, thanks anyhow :)
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Sorry forgot this .
As for friendly fire grenades, you can change that setting as an admin. The cvar is grenadeffire
cvar what? Jitspoe Would you please write the whole cmd out as it should look in the console. Again thank you for your time.
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No, I love it when players get spoofed. In fact, I plan to implement new features that will make it even easier to copy peoples names. Build 15 will ship with spoofinator 1.0 that will have even the most unskilled computer users spoofing other people in no time!
Most people don't expect answers to rhetorical questions. Do you seriously question whether or not the immature behavior that goes on bothers me? It's not that I don't care, it's just that I don't have enough time, as I mentioned in the previous post. Also, it's not just about time, there's issues of cooperation. Even if I were to get something like this implemented soon, what good would it do if the servers and clients didn't upgrade? And then there's the fact that a login system will probably do very little, if anything, to stop the behavior you describe.
Meh, I have more to say, but I really need to get some stuff done. And I know this seems rude, but could you please wait until after dpcon to bring this up again. I have way too much on my hands already right now.
As for the setting, you can change most cvars through cvar_set:
cvar_set grenadeffire 0
And the rest through rcon:
rcon <pass> set grenadeffire 0
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No, I love it when players get spoofed. In fact, I plan to implement new features that will make it even easier to copy peoples names. Build 15 will ship with spoofinator 1.0 that will have even the most unskilled computer users spoofing other people in no time!
Most people don't expect answers to rhetorical questions. Do you seriously question whether or not the immature behavior that goes on bothers me? It's not that I don't care, it's just that I don't have enough time, as I mentioned in the previous post. Also, it's not just about time, there's issues of cooperation. Even if I were to get something like this implemented soon, what good would it do if the servers and clients didn't upgrade? And then there's the fact that a login system will probably do very little, if anything, to stop the behavior you describe.
Meh, I have more to say, but I really need to get some stuff done. And I know this seems rude, but could you please wait until after dpcon to bring this up again. I have way too much on my hands already right now.
As for the setting, you can change most cvars through cvar_set:
cvar_set grenadeffire 0
And the rest through rcon:
rcon <pass> set grenadeffire 0
Thank you again and no its not rude i know ur time is critical, that is why I mentioned the yes or no format of the question. :)
Wish you could be there to game with us on the servers.
Again I offer my help how ever meager.
btw how do I insert a file? I got a great .50 American sniper taking out Taliban snipers :)
Why are sentences not indented in the first sentence of the paragraph? :)
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I'm using block paragraph style, which I find is easier to read on forums. :)
How do you insert a file? You mean attach a file to your post? Click on "additional options" after clicking "Reply."
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Jitspoe I had to kick a player tongiht. Aside from that when was the last time you server so full.
*edit The player was over 400 ping and refused 10 polite requests to reconnect or fix ping. Sorry evil you need to read the server rules.
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Good thing the scoreboard is clientside now, otherwise everyone would have overflowed when looking at scores. :)
And how does reconnecting fix a high ping? He was probably using dialup.
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Client side cheats, Comon player curtsy. He was not lagging sever but was using mutlipul logins from same IP but only showing up as "evil" but when I booted it showed
"W was kicked"
"W was disconnected"
This happened when clicking on your alpha admin player managment. When a player named "W" this happened three times before they left on arenaball. FYi .
*Edit his ping was over 800 when he was kicked. Dial up mabey. Against server rules , yup. Again all I was asking him to do was to reconnect not leave. And reconnect to the internet via dail up can clear up some lag on his end . Btw have you ever tried playing on a ping over 300 even with the best cpu and server and assuming your not cheating the lag would be like that one video those kids made. I was not doing it just for other gamers who can be lagged out but his own gaming experince on my server.
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Heh, back when I had dialup, my ping was almost always over 300. 150 was an LPB to me.
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Heh, back when I had dialup, my ping was almost always over 300. 150 was an LPB to me.
Hope the dpcon goes well,that goes without questoin.
Did your ever try play let alone host a dial up q2 server on Mplayer
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loial u gonna boot me cause u fear my dial-up? huh? huh? heh i c how it is. sometimes i have over 300 ping and its not the worst it gets... i think 400 is when it gets ubber ugly
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Sure I played. Heh, when I first got q3 my ping was a solid 999 because the ping would only show 3 digits. :)
(http://www.planetquake.com/jitspoe/images/misc/q3ascore1.jpg)
Sometimes there are worse things than dialup, though: http://www.planetquake.com/jitspoe/images/misc/why_college_sucks.gif
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have you tried playing your game with ping over 400? i get a full onesec lag :)
*edit thanks for the help with cvar and rcon cmds . Is there any others that you the publice wants please post those requests here, so jitspoe can comment
btw jitspoet This is why i was ranting on HOBO (sorry so late) He was expressing his opinion on ..well look for your self. I assumed he knew what I was talking about since the ss and the post were done one after the other.
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Greetings and welcome to the world of lag free gaming brought to you by Loial.
Several rules:
1: No visual abnormalities
2: No FPS hacks
3. No rat/z or other happy bots allowed (bob)
4. No flooding server(oversizing packets)with happyness
5. No exploits (by my definition) at all.
6. No leet geeking we are all equal.
7. No Abusive behavior toward anyone.
8. No settings that harm others will be allowed.
9. No spoofing names
10. If you are lagging in server you will be asked to reconnect.
11. If you are asked to stop spamming chat by anyone you will comply and do your best.
You will be warned multiple times for any of these offenses after which you will be kicked. To be reinstated you must petition to me or Jitspoe on this topic.
I will be keeping a log of known offensives and offenders among other details of your visits.
Please have fun and Respect each others authority to own.
***edit server is open for matches
Read and understand
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I miss Bainer, Mental ;( blitz and y2 happy!!! What are their opinions on good maps?
The maps that come to mind for the top of my list are: kfields, castle1, sassult2, siegecastle, pball_shreds1, pforest.
I'm a fan of the small maps when used accordingly. eR33t ran a series of 12am invite-only tournaments in which we did 1v1 with 5 minute rounds on the same map. We usually fielded 8-16 players of mostly the higher skill level(5-6 eR3 members and a hand ful of cP and krew members or #paintball old-timers). They were fast, competitive and anyone who played in them loved them, even though Blitz won 75% of the time.
eR33t used to do teamwork development drills/scrims on larger maps that weren't on the maplists. When played at the higher skill level these made for great fun in the 3v3/4v4 environment. These maps never hit the match scene very often because they became uncompetitive against most teams.
I recall when I started playing, I had to learn qwpball on hellsurvivors - I even eliminated a player once! - and what a nightmare, but I was hooked. I think the key to easing the new player learning curb is to have small tight maplists of larger complex maps that offer depth into the rest of the game that is left untouched in pub servers. This doesn't do it for most of the players who have been around more than a year who play the game for the extremely fast-pase excitement it provides Being a player, team leader of a clan in every skill bracket, a server admin and someone who has put time in to wards development of pball-related projects(eR33tbot, stats, numerous sites), I have seen most all aspects of the community. I still think that 60-70% of the community is only around to experience a quick fast-pase game every now and then. There's always a server that has crates/pbcup/icewar running, and they're satisfied. In order for the same experience on a pub to occur, larger maps need to be loaded. Castle1/pball_shreds1 needs 12+, Brainstorm needs 14+, etc. These scenarios only exist if pbcup/crates/icewar is the last map that was playing. When I administrated the two pub servers I used this tactic to keep the server occupancy high, and it worked as suggested every time.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Sincerely,
You favorite eR33t team member
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Thank you, do you support or advocate different maps for different level of players?
*edit more to come I respect this persons point of view. Wish we had more posts like them. Bain is there any chance of getting this community back to the status it had when your web site/ stats was up? It was the best thing for this game besides the game, since then it has been torn apart and it SUCKS!!!!
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Gah. Loial, you just have to stop this. Certain people will like the kind of game paintball is, and certain people won't. And unfortunatly, some people will like paintball because of the way the crappy maps play... and they support and sometimes make more of the crappy maps. And it becomes an endless cycle. But let me tell you, the few games I've played on decent maps with a moderate number of players is what hooked me. Luckily, that happened one of my first games and since then, despite the poorly constructed maps, I've refused to give up on it. I think that eventually, something will happen and there will be conciderably more of these good maps. Not everyone will like that, but in the end this isn't a game that ends up appealing to everyone. This is a game that I think very few people like for the game that it's suppose to be.
To get back to what I wanted to say in the first place:
The game doesn't appeal to many people. If we try to make it appeal to more people, it'll become an average, boring game that's no different than any other. We should make this game to cater to a more specialized group: those that will appreiciate the game for what it's suppose to be, and help make it that.
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Stop what eiii expressing my opinions, asking questions or defend my self? Just let me know. Ok? :(
This is exact thing that turns new players away from the game.
The game doesn't appeal to many people.
What proof do you have to make this claim. The fact that all old players dont play? The same people we were playing with when we got hooked? They left becuase of the direction this game is going not beucase the game did not have appeal. But I will agree that as the game is today with the devolper baning maps and adding unwanted features yeah sure its losing its appeal, but is that not the whole idea of wanting only "certain players" ones that has thier ideas implimented and listened to and Jitspoet can only please a few people so why not the ones that never play anymore. That is logical thinking? Ok the last statement is not fair and was yours? I respect your opinion and understand some of your logic just wish somemore people would speak up. Who else will?
Im not bashing or relating in bad terms. Get it? Got it? Good!!!
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http://babelfish.altavista.com doesn't have loialnese as an option. :(
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hmm Its an ancient asian slow person speak some thing you should relate to. Its close to the redneck hillbilly hee haw dialect spoken in deep nc :)
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Stop what eiii expressing my opinions, asking questions or defend my self? Just let me know. Ok? :(
Must...not...kill...
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ur phunny
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you suck loial.. be quiet
i dont think ANYONE in dp cheats.
except for ganja, he cheats at times.. when he feels like it.
and for the people that do cheat, i just don't notice it because they still suck really bad..
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Re: Loial's SpraynPray/Run-n-Gun Camp fest
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you suck loial.. be quiet
i dont think ANYONE in dp cheats.
except for ganja, he cheats at times.. when he feels like it.
and for the people that do cheat, i just don't notice it because they still suck really bad..
Who are you LOL? Nice to meet you. Perhaps you can enlighten on how I know you? I wont repsond untill your full complaint is logically stated. Untill then hang
Like your clan leaders Pimp is.... LIMP
If your a leet geek then, you know how much admiration I have for ye. More admiration from me than you.
Understand this from my perspective Er33t left why who cares.
I do!!!
But they quit what can I do :(
THAT IS ALL FOR NOW.
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What your missing.
Sorry evendently ther is a cap on ss?
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I really hope that you're (you're) not banning people based on names.
If that is so, then people *will* start name spoofing, if not just creating new names every time they connect.
IP banning....well that *should* work until the next time their cable/DSL modem reboots, and they get a new DHCP addr.
Subnet banning would work more better (thats right, more better) except it causes 'friends' and neighbors to get eachother banned (ASSuming they are on the same subnet. When one gets banned, both get banned).
MAC address banning is a bit better, but face it. MAC addresses can be faked as well.
All these technologies can be cuircumvented by the determined. Most of those that are hacking are determined enough to curcumvent most of this stuff. Perhaps a unique ID assigned at install time via the client. On top of that, some sort of simple registration process (nothing fancy. No personal info like a email address.) combine that with a subnet check.
heh...better yet. Have a stats system that *if* you build your stats up (read: you've been playing long enough to be trust worthy, and have accumulated enough kills), then you are allowed to pickup the better weapons and barrels. that will force people to start playing better, and playing more fairly (as to not get kicked) so they can get better weapons.
Get some sort of anti cheat/authentication system in place or this will just continue. There will always be the Ganja or the Snipen or others that *MUST* have the advantage and cheat in some way or another. (in Ganja's case with me, he personnaly attacked my wife to get the better of me and make me play worse cause I was more concerned with sticking up for her. When that wouldn't work (as with other players he played against) he would start to actually cheat. Obviously or not.)
-Derrek
I 100% agree what about you?
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What are you agreeing with? That new players should be stuck with crappy equipment?
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well not that part mr smarty pants
90%
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Against my better thinking I convinced my self to bind "E" to adj grav settings on my DP cfg to 800........alas you might get some complaints.
It was fixed quickly within 2 rounds.
This brings up something that needs to be said. I am severely handicap when it comes to anything but a q2 player experince. Admin and server commands are foriegn. But not un-learnable.
*edit of no importance. :)
Alot of players who enjoy the change of gravity do so for the sake of throwing off the good speed rushers/jumpers
all be be honored.
Tonight a few mentioned how stupid ass the admin (i) was for binding this setting to a low grav . Sadly this/they was corrrect. At that time.
Point of order!!! Why have a grav setting? This is an open question.
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Liaolaala alot of the server commands have been made available here at some time or another. Do you write them down when you see them? I'm still waiting for the server command that makes liaola a better player. ;D
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Bows head, on the button.
*EDIT JITSPOET I AM TRYING TO PAY YOU!!! :) help me
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sorry, same address, yes. (jitspoeAgmailDcom)
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Ok thanks expect payment tomorrow. Wife has c/c :)
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sorry somthing happened
arrg how can I change this I was using team talk that aint kewl. :(
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Looks like you need to get rid of those binds. ;)
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That goes with out saying.
I have neven had that happen before, what is the prem on that?
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You spammed 3 times. 3 strikes and you're out. :)
There are settings to tweak that, but I don't recall them offhand.
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kewl thanks
never had that happen before !!! :(
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Money I have.
A great game I want.
Smart as you, I am not. :(
Kill I can :)
JITSPOE PLEASE READ....Loial's map request por favor :)
What alpha is loaded on the loial's server?
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The engine is alpha 14, the game code is what was included in build 15. Aside from pong support, not much has changed.
And I did read your request, but I just forgot to reply.
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THanks,
The servers are now offline.
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lol s8n watch....
OK JITSPOE. here it is, you will obey me and do what I say when I say and more importantly how I say.
With that said, now what? The servers are barley being used, you want a test server.. fine, official server...fine .But I am wasting money here, when I could be support something I believe in. But here is the whole of it....
1. I promised on my word, last year , when I first started posting that I would kick jitspoe some money as thanks for his effort in everything from the code, to the forum, to playing against a good sport. Just as long as he does not spend it on child porn the I dont care, I keep my word. Jitspoe expect a payment at the beginning of the new year. End of statement.
2. Would I like to have the server geared to what is popular, sure.
3. Thanks s8n, its about time some one said something nice to me, you rock dude.
4. Jitspoe I have muttered aimless words in the past asking you to contact me about the server. Please do. This must be private and productive.
5. I am now working with hhr/wod clan which I a proudly a member of, we are making a q4 WOD mod. I estimated a pledge close to 200 more dollars to help with the servers / forum / ts server etc.... The result is less time and money spent here , starting next year.
6.Dont think for a second I sill stop posting my random thoughts, ever. Or stop help newbs feel welcomed and wanted. Stupid newb bashers, go smoke a bowl and be helpful or be quiet.
PLease move post to loials run and gun thread, if you deem it so.
The only thing I got out of that is that I should contact you. How do you want me to contact you? If it's so urgent and private, why didn't you contact me?
Edit: Contacted via PM, and the servers are still online.
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I dont want to bother you, I respect that. You choose the forum we talk in not I.
If the only thing you got out of this we really need to talk.
When i posted last evl were not online., Via the server update GUI. FYI not a complaint.
*edited for EIO
1. IEO I Donated yes, but not a first, perhaps you should read previos post before posting.
2. I payed Jitspoe at the promise my own server. Per his post, no where was there a mention of map limitations. Not my fault.
3. Jitspoe then metioned it would meen alot to him to not to have certain maps added on "my" server. I then said ok. Thus making my contributaion a donation, acording to you.
Get you facts strait. and say sorry loial. I have done nothing but be the most active player and forum poster. I help new players.
What are you doing? Looking at the past posts on this thread, you or Jitspoe have not been very helpful to me despite my donation / purchase. WHY?
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Well, the issue is twofold here. On one hand, you're paying for a portion of the server, so you should be able to run maps of your choosing. On the other hand, there are a bunch of crappy, thrown-together-in-a-few-minutes, 1-path/box, poor-gameplay, poorly-lit, unaligned maps out there that should really have never seen the light of day much less be put in rotation on a public server.
What we need to do is get rid of the old, poorly-made maps and create new, better ones that incorporate some of the enjoyable aspects of the old maps and remove the nuances, as well as provide better scaleability for various numbers of players, either through alternative paths or something like DSM. We've made a little progress in that respect.
We've made a little progress in that respect,
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Way to finish your post, jits. I say, as long as you can contol what maps are played, you keep out the crap maps.
1. IEO I Donated yes, but not a first, perhaps you should read previos post before posting.
I did. I really have no clue what your point is.
2. I payed Jitspoe at the promise my own server. Per his post, no where was there a mention of map limitations. Not my fault.
Uhhh... from what I understand, the point is to donate, and in return, you get a part of a server. It's still his server, as well as his game. He should have control over it as long as he can. If you really want to run maps that are generally bad for the game, don't do it on one of his servers.
Get you facts strait. and say sorry loial. I have done nothing but be the most active player and forum poster. I help new players.
What are you doing?
You've posted the most and such, but (from my point of view), very little of the stuff you say that isn't off-topic (there's nothing wrong with off topic) doesn't seem to help much. And you don't seem to help new players so much as act like them.
Yes, I'm in a bad mood today.
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Loial
If you are simply "donating to the cause" then you may not have the right to any say in the matter.
If the agreement is you would have controlling interest, then you should receive that. Including your own methods of modifying the server, etc... If this is the case it shouldn't matter if you wanted 50 versions of Blitz_the_map on "your" server. You pay, you decide. Stand up against the dictatorship!
I don't know how much you pay, but you may look to taking that money and getting you own server.
For considerably less than $200 a month you could have your own entire machine on a fast backbone to do what you want with.
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Heh, whoops, I guess I did a copy instead of a cut. Don't know how I missed that.
Anyway, loial, let me know specifically what map it is you want the most that I've said "no" to, and I will personally work on remaking it for you.
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s8n you started this :) hugs,thanks
Well, the issue is twofold here. On one hand, you're paying for a portion of the server, so you should be able to run maps of your choosing. On the other hand, there are a bunch of crappy, thrown-together-in-a-few-minutes, 1-path/box, poor-gameplay, poorly-lit, unaligned maps out there that should really have never seen the light of day much less be put in rotation on a public server.
What we need to do is get rid of the old, poorly-made maps and create new, better ones that incorporate some of the enjoyable aspects of the old maps and remove the nuances, as well as provide better scaleability for various numbers of players, either through alternative paths or something like DSM. We've made a little progress in that respect.
We've made a little progress in that respect,
ok lets make progress.
I have asked to have maps reviewed and tested. Only to be laughed o rignore in effect, by Eiii and others includeing your self Jitspoe. Not very good form sirs. So excuse my ignorance regarding your end goals, I contributed and only ask to be treated with respect and to be heard regarding public play.Iits not like I have never played this game and posted in this forum and burned it for being a child like instagib hyperblaster q2 mod, like other players, coders, map makers etc...
I care.
Now what? With that said cant you at least say thanks for the help?
You guys suck.
Jitspoe, I have time to test maps. WIth that said why not allow maps on my portion of the server like GT or e3rrt servers did? This I dont get.
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Heh, whoops, I guess I did a copy instead of a cut. Don't know how I missed that.
Anyway, loial, let me know specifically what map it is you want the most that I've said "no" to, and I will personally work on remaking it for you.
Really? Somehow your and eio actions dont promise action, but I will trust yet again, I care. Lets see.
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I'm against taking any actions here.
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Why? Pray Tell?. Oh and no one asked you. ;)
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Really? Somehow your and eio actions dont promise action...
I never wanted to take any action, so that would explain the actions not promising actions. Crazy sentence.
Why? Because jits is doing fine as he is. It's HIS game, and he wouldn't like to have maps that are bad for the game on his servers.
But I can't speak for jits. He could offer an explanation, or at least say what he intends to do.
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Ok. There you have it. I dont disagree. Im ok with what ever and willing to talk about helping out, but the newb bashing and cheating has to i phawkin stop, no matter what. Does that make sense? Be civil first, then talk as much sheet as you want to its fun.
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Newbs. Bad. They aren't newbs anymore when they've become not bad. You have a different definition of newb than me, apparantly.
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Why mark others not worthy of others. Leets do this often with out thought, why?
EIII? Your perspective?
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I... um, what?
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I can not join my server via game spy on q2 build why?
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I believe that there is a default minbuild cvar.
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http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=1176.0
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I can not join my server via game spy on q2 build why?
sv_minclientbuild is set to 14 in order to prevent basic cheats.
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Its not used for matching but ok, I was hoping I could avoid talking the WOD community into downloading your game. We perfer to type connect ip in to console despite mod. I dont remember not being able to connect with q2 before?
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They'd have to download the mod anyway, and it's easier to just double click on paintball2.exe than start up quake2 +set game pball.
You can "cvar_set sv_minclientbuild 0" if you want q2 players to connect, but then any old quake2 hack will work with it.
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Umm, they have the q2mod pack which includes q2pb. All well have to do, to jump from one mod to the other is simply type in the ip:port (if needed) and then hti enterr. Am i missing something, other than an intellect ???
Ok thanks, I dont think I will screw with it for right now, but if I do I will tell you. As for right now the only server setting I have changed is the ff for grenades is off. We still need to talk about some adding classic one path puke maps. I have seen a great deal of german and new players playing on the server, wow suprised, am I!!! I think your server would do better peronsally if you turned off the ff for grenades unless your playing. It only takes one smart ass player to start killing his whole team before people say f-it and leave just a suggestion. I will try to be one tonight, what is the best way for me to pm/irc or xfire etc? ...pm your anwser
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Hmm, I thought I shut the ffire grens off.
Anyway, I'm home for Thanksgiving, so I'll have to get with you later.
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Jitspoe or Anyone,
Last night while playign on my server, serveral people complained about severe server lag. This is not the only time that I have recieved complaints, most of the complaints have been from my older clan memebers so I have no reason to doubt what the are complaining about. It seems to be client side lag as I dont have any lag what so ever. Is there any thing the clients can do? Cap fps etc...... Is there a rcon settings that can help reduce lag? This has nothing to do with the maps or weapons being used.
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Hmm, I'm not sure. It could be a locational thing. How bad were their pings? For those that are lagging, you can type "netgraph 1" to see the network packets and see if there's any packet loss. Packet loss is generally what causes the lag to be "severe."
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I ping about 50 on those servers and I constantly get the phonejack thing in my upper left corner or whatever. It's the server for sure.
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Last nite no GT memebers wer present, however they inspired me indirectly to voice the lag complaints. The complaints last night were from players with under a 110 ping. I have a ss that I would need to pM you. :]
Jitspoe it might be server side, but I doubt it. I would 'feel' its effects. Is there a setting that is set to high to cause players like below to lag? Worst case the can I reset server with rcon?
Skater,
Thanks but you should have remained quite. Now I must ban you forever. Sorry dude.
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JK. But I am warning you. I have a manifesto. You and your kind is on it. Behave.
-L
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SkAtEr: what does your netgraph look like? It's never been laggy for me. I wonder if it's just laggy at certain times of the day. Now I'm really curious what's up.
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Hey, I reset your server to put the new version up, and I wasn't sure if you had changed any settings on it. Let me know what settings you want so I can put them in the config file.
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WEEE!!!
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Lotsa people. Some that are LAGGING! OMG!
:P
(Also, I really hope you wern't playing with that many people on airtime. Or at all really. ;))
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That reminds me - I need to replace airtime with the fixed version (airtime2).
And fix your gamma - it looks horrid.
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Please dont replace, just add it.
My gamma is my concern. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Eii the server rocked with out any lagg at all or cheating, god bless build 16.
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pleace just add it, don't take away my beloved
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Why would you want to keep airtime.bsp around when airtime2.bsp is practically the same thing, only it looks a little better and fixes some bugs?
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Very good question. let me research why. Since the spell check is down it will be later. Dont change it untill then. ty
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the barrells for me. they are two different maps imo. i like one, i don't like the other
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Well I was hoping you could have both.
Jitspoe,
THe server is not on the list, any idea why?
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Server back on list.
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EV1 help!!! I have been getting alot of complaints of random lag / packet loss or whatever.