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Paintball 2: The Game => Help and Support => Topic started by: Alpha on September 07, 2007, 12:04:27 AM

Title: Racism
Post by: Alpha on September 07, 2007, 12:04:27 AM
Hey I've got a question...

For some reason I'm hearing often some words like "Nazi" or "f***ing germans" when I appear at a server.

And it's kind of annoying and I'm sick of playing pub,while some StarZ or aB players mean to call me names for no reason.

I think some of you guys should get the point of TODAYS politics of germany before talking...

So my question is:
Is there a possibility of getting people banned for talking racist BS?

I hope this thread won't turn into a flame-festival

Greetings
Alpha
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Eiii on September 07, 2007, 12:09:21 AM
Perfect example for a committee issue! For now, it's up to the server's owner. It'll probably stay that way, but you never know.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spook on September 07, 2007, 12:12:40 AM
I doubt StarZ was making ethnic slurs, as we don't talk excrement unprovoked. Provide some names so I and the other *** can discuss it.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Alpha on September 07, 2007, 12:28:35 AM
hmm hold on minute. i think in my anger i told something wrong.

Actually I think I took a "meeting" with Darkness for the starz player "bdog" i saw on a pub a few days ago... but I'm not sure...

So if I'm wrong,sorry about that to the whole starz clan.

And btw: this post shouldn't get anybody banned at this time... just wanted to make some of you think about what they are talking in front of germans.

We don't mind if you guys talk in a primitive way in your mirc-private chans.

Actually,i don't want to get all Americans a bad look:

Fact is,that I've never been called a "Nazi" by a french (!) or a polish guy...

I don't know if those guys who call somebody names are ALL American,because sometimes I can't see the different between English people,Australians and Americans.

Greetings

EDIT:
I doubt StarZ was making ethnic slurs, as we don't talk excrement unprovoked.

If you guys see calling sb a Nazi as "talking excrement",you should choose your words much wiser.
Nazis were bad people and I don't think,anyone who doesn't talk something with that H-Guy or behave like a Nazi should be called a Nazi...
I don't go on pubs and call black people "N*****".... I think it's totally unfair to call somebody like anything of that words i mentioned above.

And you should think about it,because the way Germans like me got treaten by some of yours makes me think like the only thing you learn at school about Germany would be politics from 1933-1945
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spook on September 07, 2007, 12:30:38 AM
bdog, aka snapple never talks, so it wasn't the starz clan :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: KiLo on September 07, 2007, 01:04:11 AM
bdog, aka snapple never talks, so it wasn't the starz clan :D

Yeah I joke around with bdog when he kills me and he still doesn't say anything.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: atmays on September 07, 2007, 04:30:52 AM
He talks to me.

(Mays lean back in chair feelin special)
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 07, 2007, 05:37:38 AM
lol i know bdog in real life and yeah he uses those words all the time. nazi, nig**r and etc.. he doesnt really mean it as a racial slur, he even calls me homosexual\jewish\nazi\nig**r  all the time. i dont take offence to it. that is pretty funny that you would take offence to it, at least from my standpoint. specially since jitspoe has added in an ignore feature on dp :)

to use ignore. you hit the Tilda(~) and type in /names
it should show his name like this: 1) Bdog
that initial number is his player id
once you have his player id
you type in: /ignore "player_id"
then you wont hear him say anything
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: lekky on September 07, 2007, 09:33:30 AM
Despite having no German Nationals in QeHs, we also get called Nazi's, etc, etc so I can understand Aplhy's point. It is discrimination and should not be tolerated. This issue has gone on far too long and those people it is directed at should not have to be as tolerant as they are.

Its getting to the point where...

For some reason I'm hearing often some words like "Nazi" or "f***ing germans" when I appear at a server.

...is the norm for a European player to have to ignore when entering a server.

WarWulf, this is not something that should go under the "/ignore playerid" response. We do not want this to be the norm for European players to have to deal with, and I can guarantee for you that it WILL stop new European players from playing this game.

We should cut this out of the game before it becomes a problem rather than a nuisance. The only problem with that is we are dealing with peoples innate characters, and that can be hard to change unless force is taken.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Kaos on September 07, 2007, 03:34:39 PM
lekky tell me one thing after having civil right laws do ppl who are black call white ppl crackers and white ppl call black members of a socially disadvantaged class or black person  it doesnt matter if u put it against the rules cuz rules are always going to be broken like warwulf said i for one am one of those ppl who say jew nazi member of a socially disadvantaged class black person jus a reg daylife its not like i mean it i jus say it like every other word
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 07, 2007, 03:58:39 PM

WarWulf, this is not something that should go under the "/ignore playerid" response. We do not want this to be the norm for European players to have to deal with, and I can guarantee for you that it WILL stop new European players from playing this game.


hmm if they are on teams\clans then its up to the longer playing members to show the newbies how to use ignore since there is no offical menu for it.  

*pokes jitspoe*
*hint hint* "ignore menu" *hint hint*

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: iEATnoobs on September 07, 2007, 04:03:36 PM
How about you go play on your own horrible laggy german servers where us Americans dont play and you wont see us anymore and if your really that upset about this why match American clans? All i have to say is suck it up and stop being a bundle of twigs. People need to toughen up and not cry because someone called then a nazi as a joke.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: atmays on September 07, 2007, 04:07:26 PM
Actually

If someone is constantly doing it, It could become uncomfortable and very aggravating.

I understand where all is coming from. I would see it as a joke considering this is a online game.

I have been called N***** constantly I laughed it off.

But spammin it would get annoying if tahts what they are sayin
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 07, 2007, 04:09:07 PM
ok i just got off the phone with snapple aka bdog and says he hasnt called anyone a nazi in over 4 years, but he may of called your country a 3rd world SH**hole though. he wants to see logs. of him calling you a nazi as you claim...... and if the logs are true then me and him are going to beat up his brother Rez on your behalf because sanpple says it didnt happen...

he only called raybans country a 3rd world sh**hole because rayban kept provoking bdog


How about you go play on your own horrible laggy german servers where us Americans dont play and you wont see us anymore and if your really that upset about this why match American clans? All i have to say is suck it up and stop being a bundle of twigs. People need to toughen up and not cry because someone called then a nazi as a joke.

id have to agree with ieatn00bs yesterday we were playing qehs and someone using the alias [q]Cool he said something about the gt servers sucking. soo i said at least our country doesnt smelll like piss and sh** yeah it was pretty mean of me. but thats just the way i am. dont start crap and you wont hear me make such awful comebacks :P

he was pinging 130.. they were all pinging below 150, when we get on to eruopean servers. we all ping 175-220.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: atmays on September 07, 2007, 04:15:10 PM
and if the logs are true then me and him are going to beat up his brother Rez on your behalf because sanpple says it didnt happen...

Why pick on rez?!!!
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 07, 2007, 04:25:34 PM
cause if someone called alpha a nazi it wasnt snapple it was rez. they are brothers and share the same pc.....
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: atmays on September 07, 2007, 04:33:07 PM
cause if someone called alpha a nazi it wasnt snapple it was rez. they are brothers and share the same pc.....

OO

REZ BRO I GOT YO BACK

JUS HIT ME UP I BE THERE ASAP
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Alpha on September 08, 2007, 04:23:35 AM
First of all:

ok i just got off the phone with snapple aka bdog and says he hasnt called anyone a nazi in over 4 years, but he may of called your country a 3rd world SH**hole though. he wants to see logs. of him calling you a nazi as you claim..

hmm hold on minute. i think in my anger i told something wrong.

Actually I think I took a "meeting" with Darkness for the starz player "bdog" i saw on a pub a few days ago... but I'm not sure...

So if I'm wrong,sorry about that to the whole starz clan.


How about you go play on your own horrible laggy german servers where us Americans dont play and you wont see us anymore and if your really that upset about this why match American clans?

Most time I play on OTB's and see there enough guys who are American,so much to "play on your own servers"
Call yourself Nazis,but spare the Europeans of it.

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 08, 2007, 06:30:12 AM
uh.. lol i'm more of a Earthican then an american. i actaully was born in europe but never the less, thats not the topic. you have the choice to /ignore or deal with it. there are a lot of ignorant people on digital paintball. i've been playing this game for 10 years (august 17th 1997). yeah i spend a lot of time on pubs and know what goes on there. i am someone who has had to deal with worst things then just racism be happy its just silly name calling. ive tried pleading for help here in the past and it did no good, sick sad reality.



to use ignore. you hit the Tilda(~) to bring up the developers console
in there type in /names
it should show a list of name like this: 1) Bdog
that initial number is his player id which is "1"
once you have his player id
you type in: /ignore "player_id" example: /ignore 1
it will say: bdog is now on the ignore list.
then you wont hear him or anyone you ignore say anything else.
sadly this wont do it permanent but hopfully jitspoe will be solving that problem soon


Title: Re: Racism
Post by: flip on September 08, 2007, 12:52:29 PM
in todays society is it really unexpected? do you really care? are you really a nazi? are you jewish? if so are you ashamed of being such? there will always be people in the world who feel so much braver when no one can see them. last evening during a conversation with fellow (CoW) members i mentioned my wife. someone then spamed obcenities about her. now i couldve went beserk and started a flame fest but i just ignored it. what you have to realize is that the ones who do speak like that would in all actuality get knocked on their little bottoms if they acted like that in "reality".  there will always be gutless wonders running through the on-line community.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: atmays on September 08, 2007, 03:28:28 PM
I agree flip.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: KiLo on September 08, 2007, 03:32:22 PM
I will not lie, in-game I probably say stuff that is questionable but most of the time I am just joking with people.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: rez on September 11, 2007, 05:02:28 AM
Americans > rest of the world
deal with it.

and i haven't played this game in months, so it was all my brother
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on September 11, 2007, 05:22:08 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TRIilubRQCA
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 11, 2007, 05:48:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thEiXbovv98

Why are there so many songs about rainbows
And what's on the other side?
Rainbows are visions, but only illusions,
And rainbows have nothing to hide.
So we've been told and some choose to believe it
I know they're wrong, wait and see.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers and me.

Who said that every wish would be heard and answered
when wished on the morning star?
Somebody thought of that
and someone believed it,
and look what it's done so far.
What's so amazing that keeps us stargazing?
And what do we think we might see?
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
the lovers, the dreamers and me.

All of us under its spell,
we know that it's probably magic....

Have you been half asleep
and have you heard voices?
I've heard them calling my name.
Is this the sweet sound that calls the young sailors?
The voice might be one and the same.
I've heard it too many times to ignore it.
It's something that I'm supposed to be.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
the lovers, the dreamers and me.
La, la la, La, la la la, La Laa, la la, La, La la laaaaaaa


*edit Edgecrusher some of us are confused to the purpose of your last post and your reaction of the watcher... please clarify my brother.


Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 11, 2007, 05:59:03 AM
yes what is it that they are chanting? i would love to understand what is being said and is it just anti-nazi rally or was it a nazi vs anti-nazi group that collided! 26 seconds of ranting does not explain much of what you are saying...
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: lekky on September 11, 2007, 06:10:35 AM
He's saying there are a lot of close minded (and even more dumb) people in this game.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 11, 2007, 06:21:21 AM
Let him speak for him self.

But thank you, for calming and clarifying.


Close minded? Like who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFYMijdQ_sA


Brought to by LGM.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on September 11, 2007, 07:58:31 AM
There is truth in Lekkys words and theres more.

U see, neonazi(faschist) movement is still a big deal in Germany. This is a rally where thousands of people got together (mostly alternative scene like Hard Cores and Punks, but also ˝common people˝ to protest against them. Thats why when u call German nazi he will get offended, and I support Germans in this occasion. Maybe it´s not that big of deal to Americans to call Europeans in that way, but Europe has bloody history wich has left many scares.

I wont call or mark any ethnic group because I just believe it´s wrong way to communicate. Our believes define us, history teaches us.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: DaRkNeSS on September 11, 2007, 09:42:22 AM
What is this all about?  Since when have I EVER called a German DP player a Nazi??  I suggest you get your facts straight before you post buddy.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Olbaid on September 11, 2007, 10:58:41 PM
They started it:

"your pizza has no taste"

and my favorite

"go put on your makeup, silly american"
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 13, 2007, 06:04:29 AM
this is something that was said on #paintball on gg-center.com the other night posted to me by snapple


<MeMi|PURE> merry 9/11, my dear american friends
<MeMi|PURE> :D
<oLiK> im goin to come pound ur nazi ass for that MeMi|PURE :D

are they joking? or are they making unkindly jests!

since this is not such a big deal and it is said by a lot of people. the people running this community would not do anything about it because fear of retaliation to them, and they would end up booting more then 3/4th's the community.

to Alpha and the dp community: americans are not the only ones that say that type of bullexcrement, the whole world does it. it will never go away because the high tolerence that has been built up.. sure you can complain about being called names, but it does no good. So my suggestion to you now, do you or anyone have any idea's on how we, as a community around the entire planet stop this?

Since the admins will mostlikly do nothing of this and dont want to spend the effort, which i understand, it would be a lot of work on there side, the ignore is a quick fix. for they will just be talking to them selfs not getting a responce from anyone and will soon stop it or better yet leave....

but that is not allways true. their are people out there who have no life and want to make everyone else as empty as them. they troll around on the servers using fake aliases and can never seem to shutup and know tricks to bypass ignores and ways of not even logging in to the new login system.

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 13, 2007, 06:56:03 AM
Edge, thank you for the polite clarification.

Wolf. ty. You could not be more correct.

So the question remains to Jitspoe only, unless there are others he consults.

"WHY WOULD ANY HONEST AND RESPECTFUL REGISTERED PLAYER *****NEEED***** TO USE AN ALIAS"

I have yet to see the positive effect of an alias, if you are honest and polite.

Now if your motive to play this game is not honest or respctfull then why the intercourse are you playing? And Why the intercourse is Jispoe allowing you to continue to play and continue to be a part of IRC and VENT

Furthermore if you are so elite WHY THE intercourse ARE YOU CONNECTING TO A SERVER YOU DISPISE AND MOCK. Do you have no lives?




This is is black or white issue. What side of the fence are you on Jitspoe?



Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on September 13, 2007, 07:35:52 AM
I have only 1 thing to say, and I shall qoute myself from Loialme thread:

˝i dont believe in this segregation
this seperation is not a part of our scene
we're a part of the same thing
what ever happened to unity?˝
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 13, 2007, 07:39:57 AM
UNITY.

Jitspoe? Clarify this and make a stance.



Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spook on September 13, 2007, 09:07:47 PM
"WHY WOULD ANY HONEST AND RESPECTFUL REGISTERED PLAYER *****NEEED***** TO USE AN ALIAS"
I consider myself an honest and respectful player, yet i like to alias every once in awhile so i don't get constantly spammed when playing. Is that so wrong?

and no, i do not have any registered aliases, just variations of my own name.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: atmays on September 14, 2007, 02:18:24 AM
I PMed Jitspoe bout this

But in the FILTER when someone types NIG GER

It responds with posting black persons

I dont think that is right.

And hopefully jitspoe will change it
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 14, 2007, 05:16:23 AM
I PMed Jitspoe bout this

But in the FILTER when someone types NIG GER

It responds with posting black persons

I dont think that is right.

And hopefully jitspoe will change it


yeah it should say something like "police officer" or "government offical" or something like that
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: flip on September 14, 2007, 04:26:12 PM

yeah it should say something like "police officer" or "government offical" or something like that


ouch.. thnx for the love
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: eagle on September 14, 2007, 06:18:57 PM
just ban them for 5 days when they use a racial slur or when it is apparent that they are trying to harass someone. if they continue just ban them for longer terms until they finally stop or get heavily banned
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Apocalypse on September 14, 2007, 06:54:54 PM
Change racist comments to I'm insensitive to races or I'm racist or something.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Alpha on September 14, 2007, 08:59:59 PM
w00t,finally the discussion stops and some guys try to fight against racism.

Thx for your comments
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on September 15, 2007, 07:05:51 AM
Hard Core is all about fighting against racism (well there´s more but it´s one of the major things) so yeah, I´m backing you against this 100%.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 15, 2007, 08:03:54 AM
My assumption.

Logic clearly dictates all humanity will be one race, one day.

Unless you are a 'Racial Separate Supermist'(pun).

*edit..i also belive in subdivisions......each growing thing has a right to its own comfort zone....be respected, perhaps loved.

Ok, so why is there a subdivision and what would be the question, that needs an anwser? (I find this the best way to a solution)

Lets start there.

Unless you want war.


Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 15, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
yes. it does, it also keep the smartest people employed.

so does peace.

The question remains........Subdivsion

WHy?

I say this

subdivisions......each growing thing has a right to its own comfort zone....be respected, perhaps loved

Only from there can it prosper.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: eagle on September 15, 2007, 10:12:48 AM
loial u should become a philosopher
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: flip on September 16, 2007, 07:11:42 AM
yes. it does, it also keep the smartest people employed.

so does peace.

The question remains........Subdivsion

WHy?

I say this

subdivisions......each growing thing has a right to its own comfort zone....be respected, perhaps loved

Only from there can it prosper.


ah... but where do you draw the line? a comfort zone is great to an extent but just like strong prescription medication..... if used all the time your immune system becomes weak and unable to defend itself against attack.
it becomes to dependent on something else fighting(standing) up for it(them). no matter what... there will always be disease in society. you cant wipe it out completely but if everyone cleans up after themselves you'll keep the germs down.
moo!!
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: y00tz on September 16, 2007, 11:46:18 PM
Change racist comments to I'm insensitive to races or I'm racist or something.

I remember saying that!

one thing I'd like to see CHANGED ... would be for all racial/ethnic slurs to turn in to "I'm a bigot" or "I'm ignorant"
-y00tz
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Apocalypse on September 17, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
I remember saying that!

Lol great minds think alike?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: ViciouZ on September 19, 2007, 02:25:10 PM
I kind of did that with a bot, when you say a word like that, it says $nick, you're a bigot.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 19, 2007, 08:06:16 PM
Where are all the really big names in the community in this discussion (The only person I consider to be an important person in the community that I noticed in this thread was y00tz. Maybe I didn't look at names closely enough or something.). It's like they're afraid to touch these kinds of topics...

I'm all for T-banning racists and homophobic jackasses.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Eiii on September 19, 2007, 08:14:38 PM
I count Spook, WarWulf, Loial and me. <_<
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 19, 2007, 08:22:26 PM
I count you and y00tz, and possibly loial, though I don't really "know" him as well as some of the others (and I say "know" in the LIGHTEST sense of the word.)

Did you post in here before that last one, Eiii? I must have just not been paying attention to names I guess. :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: eagle on September 19, 2007, 08:33:29 PM
Where are all the really big names in the community in this discussion (The only person I consider to be an important person in the community that I noticed in this thread was y00tz. Maybe I didn't look at names closely enough or something.). It's like they're afraid to touch these kinds of topics...

I'm all for T-banning racists and homophobic jackasses.
*sigh* does it matter whether who stands out? were all common people fighting for the common goal of creating a better community
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 19, 2007, 08:47:01 PM
Well some people do think more of what they say than what someone like me thinks. I'm not saying I do, but some do.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Apocalypse on September 21, 2007, 08:10:51 AM
Well some people do think more of what they say than what someone like me thinks. I'm not saying I do, but some do.
Very true all the world is like that people pay more attention to what the "popular" people say then everyone else for example if some poor person not known by many starts going around saying to save the enivroment then not many people will pay attention but if some famous person starts going around doing the same many more people will take notice and do the same.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 21, 2007, 03:46:11 PM
...I'm talking more about thinking more of what they say because of their experience, not their social standing.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: eagle on September 21, 2007, 05:32:13 PM
Very true all the world is like that people pay more attention to what the "popular" people say then everyone else for example if some poor person not known by many starts going around saying to save the enivroment then not many people will pay attention but if some famous person starts going around doing the same many more people will take notice and do the same.
thats a downside of our society although some of the popular people do make sense
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 22, 2007, 03:05:41 PM
Popular people also happen to use punctuation, that way you can tell when one part of a sentence ends and another begins.

This was a discussion about racism, lets get some pro/anti-racism talk back into it (not that anyone here is actually pro-racism, but more like neutral/anti-racism).
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spook on September 22, 2007, 03:25:13 PM
My overall opinion is that NO one is going to be pro-racism. The neutral racist people will split it up everytime they play, and how they act will depend on their mood. The people ultimately against racism will find themselves lost, since this game will most likely never change, or any game for that matter.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 22, 2007, 08:09:55 PM
Yeah, I've never actually seen a game that hands out bans for racism. I've seen people saying ass and hell (NOTHING compared to Halo/2 online), someone complains, and they get kicked, then a kid says "N****r" like 10 seconds later and nothing happened to him. I suppose people think, If it's not offending anyone actually IN the server, it's acceptable. That's not acceptable, at least from my viewpoint.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Alpha on September 23, 2007, 07:57:54 AM
Hmm sad... in germany,discrimination is against the law.
And i'm afraid that you guys don't think about to STOP this thing,just because you aren't that much hit then us Germans...

I've never seen anybody typing "f**k America,the new nazis of today" or something..

And some of you guys should probably pay attention in History in School..or if hes not in school anymore,maybe get some informations about todays Germany...without nazis,and without Adolf Hitler...

Maybe it's a problem of the whole American population to think wrong and its sad that Digital Paintball won't start to fight against racism...but with that kind of community,most Americans would get banned.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 26, 2007, 04:04:25 AM
i remember on some servers a while back, when you would say the word "merry"

it would say "im merry just like you" id really like to see that put back in and also anything relating to that.

if people wanna start coming up with bad\racist words and come up with what should be repleaced id like to see it added to the servers!

not only that id like it to be hard copied into digital paints engine, but that is really entirely up to jitspoe, but he hasnt said anything in this thread yett. jitspoe, seems to me that the good part of your community would like to see something done about this.

because when people said something like "YOU ARE merry!"

it would show to the user who typed it, what he actually wrote..... it needs to show him the altered text!





*edit*




im sorry for this admins but most people wont understand, i think, merry = g,a,y
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 26, 2007, 04:33:40 AM
Caught.

Nice.

Do.


When people call people newb, newbs, noob, or liner, or camper, etc...they really don't mean it. Right?

Just because we, you or them don't think it is offensive does not lesson it for others.

Really people need to act with respect.

Unfortunately we have community that harbors.....unless your caught its not a crime.

Hard people are casted like that. So are most criminals.
Raping your sisters and mothers.
Killing your fathers and brothers.


Well how long does a community last with such ethics?

As long as the community allows them.


Otherwise very intelligent post sir. I Salute.









Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 26, 2007, 06:16:09 AM
here is a good quote about the topic



tupac - changes!


I see no changes. All I see is racist faces.
Misplaced hate makes disgrace for races we under.
I wonder what it takes to make this one better place...
let's erase the wasted.
Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right.
'Cause mo' black than white is smokin' crack tonight.
And only time we chill is when we kill each other.
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other.


some people on here think its ok for them to try to help and hurt at the same time but that just cancels them out.

i really shouldnt have to say their names but we all know who they are. i also wont say anything about who they are just because i dont want to start a flame fest on a perfectly good topic. 
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on September 26, 2007, 06:34:27 AM
We will see if it´ll change anything. To that time I am joining yours and Loial request to hear Jits opinion.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on September 26, 2007, 06:36:03 AM
*Bows to an artist I never liked or was versed in. Until I heard this song I was taught to think that all 2pac / tupac (dont know the man, so forgive me ignorance) was a bunch of thug nonsense. I know and respect this song and to statements from him that are true.

This was not my fault or my will.

I was taught that to hate thugs and to hate thug haters was normal. No hate was unsafe, ever. that is Loial's racism.

Because, hate is  prominate from where we have grown up, we all tend to hate more then we really should.

Live.

Love.

Mate.

Reproduce.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 26, 2007, 07:02:09 AM
We will see if it´ll change anything. To that time I am joining yours and Loial request to hear Jits opinion.


thank you kind sir.


id also like to make note on how there isnt much of the older dp community speaking about making changes, i wonder why and at the same time am sad that they dont care.

thank you all for keeping this topic on track
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: XtremeBain on September 26, 2007, 10:27:17 AM
id also like to make note on how there isnt much of the older dp community speaking about making changes, i wonder why and at the same time am sad that they dont care.

Oh, you mean like this (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7903.0)?  I believe that it has to do with the change of the gaming culture as a whole.  I seem to remember that Counter Strike was terrible for griefing and harassment and it seems that PB2 has just taken its lead.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Alpha on September 26, 2007, 12:13:12 PM
Hmm,actually I'm not a newbie... i play this game for like 3 years...I'm not watching this thing in here too much...but after some hate on servers it just broke out off me...

I'm actually not sure if you guys are making fun of me or if there has been a change i would recognize with satisfaction ...

I'm waiting for Jits answer since the start of this topic...but I've heard he has got much stuff to do,so i don't think that he will look at this thread soon.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: KnacK on September 26, 2007, 01:15:36 PM
SInce people seem to be wondering where the elders are, we're here.

Back several years ago, there ws a program that was a word proxy. No swearing, racist remarks, it workedrealyl well.  But it was a HUGE PITA to set up and keep running.

Mustang had it on his servers and I had it on mine.  This was before PunkBuster came about.

SOme of you young pups wonder why us old geezers are here.  Like " WTF is wrong with you old man - get a life" 

I get that all the time in servers, pm's and irc.

I have been on here since '98 and have seen the changes come and go.  We currently have an age range from about 10 years old all the way up to the ripe old age of 42.

Now, with that being said, there is a huge seperation between teh younger crowd and the older crowd - a generation gap would be a better description.  There are things that the younger players say and do on the servers that I would never have done, even in public.

Fortunately, I believe these ill ones are in the minority and usually don't hang around very long.  But there are exceptions. A lot of players vent online sicne they cant in real life. a second persona if you will perhaps?

I know I'm rambling a bit, but I do care about the game.  It's a shame that some people act like mules in it.
/me goes back to work.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: y00tz on September 26, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
/me stops waving the American flag behind KnacK and goes back to work

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: jitspoe on September 26, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
Quote
it would show to the user who typed it, what he actually wrote..... it needs to show him the altered text!
The reason for this was because,
a) It would take about 2 seconds for even the lesser intelligent people who use these kinds of insults to figure out how to avoid the filter once they saw it in action.
b) It's more entertaining when people are unknowingly insulting themselves when they mean to insult other people, and thus keep doing it.

That can still be enabled: set swear_filter 1, I believe.

Ultimately, I think the most feasible solution is client side word filters.  Let people build up a list of things they don't want to see, and any chat message with that text will not be displayed.

(Hint: Vote for this in the 2007 feature vote thread).
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 26, 2007, 08:05:58 PM
/me stops waving the American flag behind KnacK and goes back to work
*Steeb stops watching and goes back to work
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: eagle on September 27, 2007, 06:56:33 PM
i can finally understand loial
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on September 28, 2007, 05:32:23 AM
Oh, you mean like this (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7903.0)?  I believe that it has to do with the change of the gaming culture as a whole.  I seem to remember that Counter Strike was terrible for griefing and harassment and it seems that PB2 has just taken its lead.

ive been playing a lot of counter strike lately and i hardly ever hear anyone say anything bad. maybe i just found good servers with good admins.

but yeah from what ive seen lately digitalpaint has way more harrasment PER CAPITA. seeing as there is only about 20 dp servers and about 21000 cs servers





knack. i remember your server for having the swear word filter and i remember mustangs server. mustang gave me a special password that would allow me to login to the name UNiBonGeR anyone who would try to use the "UNi" in there name would automaticly get kicked.. i really appreciated mustangs for helping me out with the dp trolls, i was really sad to see his server die.




The reason for this was because,
b) It's more entertaining when people are unknowingly insulting themselves when they mean to insult other people, and thus keep doing it.

that is kindda funny for them not to see it but even though people that are jerks should be entitled to emberessing themselfs and eventually stop saying such stupid things!





Ultimately, I think the most feasible solution is client side word filters.  Let people build up a list of things they don't want to see, and any chat message with that text will not be displayed.


thats what i suggested a few post up:


if people wanna start coming up with bad\racist words and come up with what should be repleaced id like to see it added to the servers!



glad some of the older community has responded, and thank you jitspoe for joining the thread conversation.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on October 09, 2007, 06:26:30 AM
CS has a good system where racial slurs and offensive words gets ****.

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: hauke on October 09, 2007, 12:09:36 PM
Topic: You don't like it as a antifascist German to get called Nazi from someone who lives in a nation with an so called "republican" government. We speak English, play on American servers and never call you a USAhole (even if 70% of human population does in real life). So i don't understand why so much American players are so racism against German ppl. We all have the right to exist, you should not hate me just for the fact that I'm born in germany. Thats just wrong.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: y00tz on October 09, 2007, 06:53:30 PM
What is your problem?  Did you just HAVE to get that off your chest?  How is "USAHole" comparable to Nazi?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Eiii on October 09, 2007, 06:56:05 PM
Y00tz, he has a good point, even if it was presented a little aggressively. I don't really see why you disagree with him, here. :P
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: y00tz on October 09, 2007, 07:01:48 PM
I completely disagree. 

So i don't understand why so much American players are so racism against German ppl.

"so much American players"

99%, let's say 99%of ALL Americans  in DP are calling him a Nazi.  How is it different from him saying that '[many] American players' call him a Nazi?  Sure he's not saying ALL Americans call him a Nazi, but then again, not all Americans are calling Germans "Nazis." 

In this case, what purpose does it serve to stoop to their level?  Albeit, you did come out very tongue-lashing there, with the "republican" line... why even bother, were you trying to elude that our government is in fact, a Nazi government?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 09, 2007, 08:30:57 PM
I know I'm not...
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: lekky on October 09, 2007, 08:35:19 PM
99%, let's say 99%of ALL Americans  in DP are calling him a Nazi.  How is it different from him saying that '[many] American players' call him a Nazi?

"How is calling someone a nazi different to saying that someone called you a nazi" Quite different ???

Sure he's not saying ALL Americans call him a Nazi, but then again, not all Americans are calling Germans "Nazis." 

So you agree with him ???
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on October 09, 2007, 09:56:43 PM
99.9% of americans will make fun of 99.9% of americans!
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: webhead on October 09, 2007, 10:13:02 PM
hm, germany's kewl with me :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: loial21 on October 10, 2007, 01:01:18 AM
CS has a good system where racial slurs and offensive words gets ****.
Why with such a perfecto decoder would we any sensable man have to vote for tolerance?
 
Thats a to do...not would like to.

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: hauke on October 10, 2007, 05:39:36 AM
The government was just a example as the usahole was. But why blaming you for excrement that other american people do or did? why blaming me for excrement that germans do or better did? thats my point. We are all human and the same it doesnt matter where you come from. And yes maybe my first post was a little bit harsh, sry if ive hurt feelings  ;) .


        our only diff´s the ping :P

EDIT: thx for the warning, ive changed it ;)
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on October 10, 2007, 06:33:25 AM
Why with such a perfect decoder would we any sensable man have to vote for tolerance?
 
Thats a to do...not would like to.



I remember one post, don't know where which said that this kid can't play DP anymore because his parents saw few lines of words which were not meant to be there.

I'm not puritan, just opposite of that. Lekky can vouch how Croats can be creative about insults. But that doesn't mean I'll use them in the pubs/match. Never did.

This was just a pointer on how does it takes care off in different game. I do truly believe that older people in community should give an example, but you see, people hanging out on irc/vent/name other, and people who just pubs around comes about this percentage: 20%/80%.

We should start somewhere. Maybe it's not the best way (the***** thingy), and if it's not we have to find better model.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: WarWulf on October 10, 2007, 10:55:11 AM
hauke. dont try to bypass the swear word filter for the forums! its rude and can result in being banned :)
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Edgecrusher on October 29, 2007, 03:02:27 AM
Let's reopen this topic:

In another free online game, ogame (I don't know if anyone has heard of it, few probably have), any racial insult, or insult on national base gets you banned!

Zero tolerance!
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Stanislaus on October 29, 2007, 08:19:39 AM
I don't see what everyones problem is. I have 6 or 7 nazi friends and they're real polite, always saying please and thank you. What's your problem Germany? bunch of @ssholes, you created them. Also, melanin enhanced people are just black people, nothing special.

so... zieg heil = )
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 29, 2007, 04:35:40 PM
Your an idiot.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Garrett on October 29, 2007, 05:10:02 PM
I don't see what everyones problem is. I have 6 or 7 nazi friends and they're real polite, always saying please and thank you. What's your problem Germany? bunch of @ssholes, you created them. Also, melanin enhanced people are just black people, nothing special.

so... zieg heil = )
Umm dude, get a life.
Agreeable but seriously wrong chose of words
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: KiLo on October 29, 2007, 05:11:53 PM
I agree with Stanislaus :P (I think ???)
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Justinph5 on October 29, 2007, 05:46:46 PM
If thats your only problem, then there are many ways to a solution to stop racism towards you in servers.

1. Don't complain in game. Complaining will usually cause flaming to come your way.

2. If someone is making racial comments to you, don't comment back, they will grow bored of it soon enough (even quicker if they're american. lol)  (I'm american, I can say it  ;))

3. If the person continues to say racial statements, use the ignore feature in console, or if they're in a clan, tell the clan leader, I'm sure leaders won't tolerate that from their members.

I personally don't read messages in the console half the time, since its usually nonsense anyways, and don't worry about it, just know that the person doesn't know you, so they are making a blank statement without knowing you. It's meaningless none the less, and just because they said it doesnt mean you should argue back, the stupidest thing to do is to start a pointless internet argument...

:)
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Stanislaus on October 31, 2007, 01:33:40 AM
Justinph5 sucks penises

he is also probably a nazi nig jew

User was banned for this post.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: KiLo on October 31, 2007, 09:13:37 AM
Justinph5 sucks penises

he is also probably a nazi nig jew

User was banned for this post.

That was good for a laugh. :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: lekky on October 31, 2007, 10:26:44 AM
KiLo my estimation of you drops everytime you post in this thread.

What he said might be funny amongst friends, but when there are people here explicitly saying it offends them, its not cool.